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Ok, it may look like a shit storm at the moment, mainly because the person driving the bus is a Remainer but surely with everything we know now why would any body want to go back to the status quo and be a member of a club where most of the members despise us even though we pay £150million a week net for nothing in return, who want to become a Federal state with its own army and pretend democracy as opposed to a Sovereign Country with our own rules and elected leaders and Government

We pay £150 million pounds a week NET for nothing, FACT

So when we have a general election if the section of the electorate who didn't get the government that they prefer complain then a second election should be held just to make sure everybody still feels the same?

2nd vote.. current deal on the cards or hard brexit.. would have an interesting result...

The EU collectively don't want us. One member state openly referred to us as a "troublesome marriage". Despite being a net contributor financially, they sneer at us. As shown by the ridiculous deal that May has come back with. If we go back, we will end up far worse off than we are now

“If everyone could just undig their heels and back down, we could probably stay in the EU but get the Brussels mob to consider that they need to make a few changes” Spider there is no tooth fairy and Father Christmas is pretend and school years weren’t the happiest time of your life, you can’t go back

California isn't a world economy, being as it's part of the United States... the state generates more than the UK, but it isn't a country in it's own right, Cheese, seen as you are so informed, which countries will no longer trade with us, which one's will no longer wish for us to sell their good's and why will the wto refuse out membership?

Often think the people who spout shit are the worst. "Know what you don't know" is a key part of learning. Dogs manage it. https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-11/mpif-dkw111918.php Think that article is being kind to humans. A large part of the human race is fucking clueless about it and dogs outperform them.

We cannot simply fall back on a "WTO agreement" . Our current WTO membership depends on us being in the EU, and will have to be renegotiated when we leave. Other members of the WTO - namely Russia - have already lodged official objections regarding our post-EU intentions. Shit like this takes many years to sort out. We've got 4 months. We're heading for economic catastrophe, and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

There is a Brexit page on facebook that are supporting hard exit from the EU. They are running a poll - If there was another referendum now, would you vote leave or stay. There has been nearly 250k votes, 66% stay 34% leave. Not sure that was the result they were hoping for

Quite. Don't need marches to achieve that. And as I said above, the picture speak for themselves. It's virtually impossible to find any of these marches, where folk don't carry political banners of one sort of another. It's quite pathetic of fan5 to make out that these aren't an amalgamation of folk wishing to make a political point whilst hiding behind another (irrespective of whether they agree with its aim). Ffs, young kids should be allowed to be just that, allowed to play and grow without being thrust into such an environment.

International break has been a welcome distraction for once, I've put this lot out of my mind for 10 days. Just remembered we're proper crap aren't we?

The other side to that especially family is if no matter what you try he won't take the help and do what he needs to do himself to get sorted, you need to walk away for your own health. You can be there to support and help but if the person doesn't want to help themselves as well there's not a lot can be done.

Cant say I’ve ever had the urge to take the kids on a march - or myself for that matter. Although if I did, it’d probably be very happy to go on a say no to racism march with them. That’s not to say I would be in 100% agreement with everyone there on other political topics - Len McClusky for example - but I’d agree with the fundamental message that whatever your political hue, racism is wrong. I wouldn’t say that was indoctrination, that’s simply the difference between right and wrong. Its not an unbalanced view to stand up and say I am against treating people differently based on skin colour, background or religious beliefs.

Accepting folk as equals ain’t indoctrination. It’s just common decency

Stiff upper lip mate. They will never break us.

With a springboard.

We had a report down here this morning that 8 of the 27 are looking like they won't agree to the deal so we may get what was voted for by default. I was listening to Times columnist (and lifelong leftie) Melanie Phillips this morning. We might be political opposites but she talks much sense about Brexit - especially the sheer lunacy of publicly stating that a 'no deal' scenario was off the table before we even started negotiating with the EU. I can only connect such an utterly stupid tactical blunder to the fact that we are being led through this by a Remainer.

Just me maybe, but I reckon it's wrong to take you're kids on a political protest march.

Forgot more than you know.

No more petty arguments about players nicknames then . Long live 'tiger' Taylor .

Apathy has set in though now & that's worse than having a row about it. I've previously had a go at the yoof who regularly boo the team/tactics but I couldn't turn round now & justify why they shouldn't boo what's happening on the field. I'm past the point of being angry - now just resigned to losing. Still going to Millwall though...