A guy called Russ, along with Jumbo, were instrumental in their thuggery around the Springfield Rd era. They could be found in the Ball and Boot Pub, on quite a rough estate, Scholes if i remember rightly. I see these two at the twice yearly Northern Soul events here in Tenerife, and still chat about the old times. Although majority of that mob are now in the fifties, they still turn out for the big games, and also tasty away games.