gonzo Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Can he do it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L/H White Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 He'd of had a better chance if Warwinka held hid nerve in the 2nd set against Djokovic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didledee Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Can he do it?? No because he's not English No because he said something about England No because he's Scottish No because he's 'miserable' No because he uses elevators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 No because he's a cunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazza Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 No because he's a cunt But he's one of my cunts so I say yes he can do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted January 20, 2013 Members Share Posted January 20, 2013 No because he's not English No because he said something about England No because he's Scottish No because he's 'miserable' No because he uses elevators It lives!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgoefc Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 It lives!!!!!! Indeed it does! Bit it seems a trifle agitated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I think he'll win it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazza Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I think he'll win it He will djokovic struggling like fuck in his semi.. And Murray would definitely beat the Swiss guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazza Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Fair play to Djokevic when he eventually won... Never seen such emotion from a tennis player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maaarsh Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Novak spouting off about doping in an interview the other day, then once again looking fighting fit after 4 hours when earlier in his career he struggled finishing 2 sets without cramp. Something truly magical happened for him in the 2010 off-season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 yes, he can true brit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Novak spouting off about doping in an interview the other day, then once again looking fighting fit after 4 hours when earlier in his career he struggled finishing 2 sets without cramp. Something truly magical happened for him in the 2010 off-season... Djokovic was advised to follow a gluten-free diet in 2010, and that's when his previous inconsisteny disappeared. Doesn't preclude the possibility that this is a cover for something more sinister, of course, but at least it's feasible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maaarsh Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) I would have more faith if the anti-doping protocols in tennis didn't look like they were specifically designed to avoid catching anyone in the top 50, and the top players didn't all run around complaining about a system which tests them extremely infrequently as if it were draconian. And the world number one (at the time) didn't have his name specifically redacted from an anti doping operation because the Spanish only wanted to catch cyclists and got a bit nervous when they found most of their sporting heros were at it too. I'm just a bit cynical, because every year we seem to have a top player making a miraculous leap forward in fitness levels, and with an anti-doping regime which does not represent a serious deterrant I find it very hard to believe there aren't several guys engaging in blood boosting. The benefits of such an approach in a sport like tennis with no blood passport system would easily make a player of average fitness the fittest player in the world over 5 sets. And all the top players are all the fittest players. So either no one is doing it, or the top players are too. Edited January 20, 2013 by maaarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazza Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I would have more faith if the anti-doping protocols in tennis didn't look like they were specifically designed to avoid catching anyone in the top 50, and the top players didn't all run around complaining about a system which tests them extremely infrequently as if it were draconian. And the world number one (at the time) didn't have his name specifically redacted from an anti doping operation because the Spanish only wanted to catch cyclists and got a bit nervous when they found most of their sporting heros were at it too. I'm just a bit cynical, because every year we seem to have a top player making a miraculous leap forward in fitness levels, and with an anti-doping regime which does not represent a serious deterrant I find it very hard to believe there aren't several guys engaging in blood boosting. The benefits of such an approach in a sport like tennis with no blood passport system would easily make a player of average fitness the fittest player in the world over 5 sets. And all the top players are all the fittest players. So either no one is doing it, or the top players are too. Stop beating bout the fuckin bush and name who you're accusing That shite has nothing but toilet use Pure crap unless you name names Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maaarsh Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Stop beating bout the fuckin bush and name who you're accusing That shite has nothing but toilet use Pure crap unless you name names I think they're all at it, and the ITF has 0 interest in catching them because most people, like you, think that a sport where people get caught is dirty, and a sport where no one gets caught is clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazza Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I think that's bollocks.... We are all entitled to opinions though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie Tate Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I think what jazza is saying is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I would probably agree that drugs are fairly widespread wherever they give an advantage, but equally it's not good enough to say 'they're all at it,' 'all the top players are the fittest players' and other such generalisations and expect people to nod along without asking questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maaarsh Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 To be honest, I really wouldn't mind tennis' approach. My irratation is when Novak starts badmouthing other sports and saying Tennis has a really strong anti-doping system, when the sport he is bad mouthing conducts orders of magnitude more out of competition tests and makes a serious attempt to minimise the problem, whilst tennis conducts a don't ask, don't tell system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maaarsh Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I think what jazza is saying is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I would probably agree that drugs are fairly widespread wherever they give an advantage, but equally it's not good enough to say 'they're all at it,' 'all the top players are the fittest players' and other such generalisations and expect people to nod along without asking questions. I'm not asking people to nod along - as per my post above, the only reason I comment on tennis is the top players there have a holier than thou approach and actually claim tennis takes it seriously, when the statistics on the number and type of tests conducted are there for all to see. Maybe tennis genuinely does attract more moral people, and no one is taking advantage of the open door, but it seems unlikely. In any case, people can google puerto themselves if they want examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie Tate Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 The Puerto case - wasn't it the case that the good Doc himself was upset that only cyclists were named? As far I know (not a lot, to be honest), he alleged tennis players and footballers had also visited him but none were named. Didn't the football allegations turn out to be bullshit? The problem with holding cycling up as this paragon of virtue where testing is concerned is that it has successfully demonstrated that scores upon scores of cyclists have been cheats. Obviously the conclusion people reach is that the sport is filthy and Armstrong was the filthiest. It is not unreasonable for them to do so. It is clear that the procedures for testing in tennis are feeble, but that in itself is not even circumstantial evidence for everyone being at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 If all the tennis players are on drugs, somebody needs to give Murray some anti-depressants. #miserabletwat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted January 20, 2013 Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 If all the tennis players are on drugs, somebody needs to give Murray some anti-depressants. #miserabletwat He should have one of them pink windmills I had in Benidorm. He might not win a slam...but he would the happiest man on center court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted January 20, 2013 Members Share Posted January 20, 2013 If all the tennis players are on drugs, somebody needs to give Murray some anti-depressants. #miserabletwat Yes. To be fair though, he lifts my spirits enormously every time he chokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazza Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I think what jazza is saying is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I would probably agree that drugs are fairly widespread wherever they give an advantage, but equally it's not good enough to say 'they're all at it,' 'all the top players are the fittest players' and other such generalisations and expect people to nod along without asking questions. To be fair I could have worded it less errr directly But yes it was what I meant It was the Absinth talking... Apologies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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