leigh white Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 When you had a leader who governed this country 30 years ago who was hell bent on destroying British Industry, selling all our assets off to her city friends, who then sold them to foreign countries for a huge pay day, and we now come home to roost. Done my grafting, it's the young folk of today i feel sorry for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffs Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I remember my dad bought shares in BT and the gasboard. He was a tyre fitter from westleyth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffs Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Quite. Then they employ less people at the going rate who'd be paying tax. Tax payer shafted twice. The thing is, they could be a good idea Make your mind up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I remember my dad bought shares in BT and the gasboard. He was a tyre fitter from westleyth. I had shares in the TSB & Halifax, not worth a carrot now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffs Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I had shares in the TSB & Halifax, not worth a carrot now. They're banks mate not utility companies. "We" never owned them in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 They're banks mate not utility companies. "We" never owned them in the first place. I thought the tax payers owned Northern Rock ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andydee Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) Quite. Then they employ less people at the going rate who'd be paying tax. Tax payer shafted twice. And liking it, judging by most of the comments on here. The last Labour government introduced work placements as part of its New Deal programme. Then abandoned them due to massive abuse. The thing is, they could be a good idea, if done properly. Giving someone long-term unemployed work experience and the chance of a reference. But they aren't done properly. Companies take the piss and see it as free labour and the schemes aren't policed properly due to under resourcing and incompetence. They could be done properly but it's too easy to fall into the easy money trap with any Gov't scheme and they're nothing new, they've been around in one guise or another for years. You'd have thought at least one government would have got it right! Long time ago I interviewed a lad who was on the old YTS scheme (where the employer made no contribution) . He was working for a local 'businessman' who a few years later was splashed over the front page of the paper as a self made millionaire. Lot easier when you have a business reliant on manpower, but have no wages to pay! The guy was 'employing' over 20 'trainees' who were making him a fortune When I asked the lad why he wanted to leave his current employer he said he was expected to work 7 days a week, 8 - 6 or sometimes later, including bank holidays and didn't get any holidays. I could have taken him on on the same scheme but chose to actually employ him on a wage, albeit not a very large one, but also enrolled him on a C&G course to get him a qualification. I've mentioned before, few years later, I was in charge of finding employment for long term unemployed and we were the most successful organisation in the north west at getting people employed. Since then each successive gov't has recycled the idea, given it a new name, spent a fortune on branding, tendering, putting in place the bureacratic monolith to manage it and claimed it as their own nirvana for employment. In reality the organisations winning the tenders see it as a cash cow and it's only when someone looks closely, such a s the A4E thing, they realise all is not as it seems. EDIT: One of the large supermarkets is an expert at including in planning applications that they will take on long term unemployed (providing of course they get the grants to cover the first 6 months staff costs). Edited February 13, 2013 by Andydee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I had shares in the TSB & Halifax, not worth a carrot now. Did you get Halifax shares free when converted from a building society ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffs Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I thought the tax payers owned Northern Rock ? Fuckin hell mick you can't blame Maggie for that too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Did you get Halifax shares free when converted from a building society ? I did, i also got more shares when TSB & Halifax merged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Fuckin hell mick you can't blame Maggie for that too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 When you had a leader who governed this country 30 years ago who was hell bent on destroying British Industry, selling all our assets off to her city friends, who then sold them to foreign countries for a huge pay day, and we now come home to roost. Done my grafting, it's the young folk of today i feel sorry for. when I worked in a British factory there was only one lot who were wrecking the place and it wasn't Maggie. Union folk are self serving clueless cunts. I'm glad I no longer have to deal with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted February 13, 2013 Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) Geology graduate. Edited February 13, 2013 by Carlos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Anyway, I sort of get why she got the hump. As a geology graduate she had a perfectly good placement in a museum (they just crave slave labour in those places, the parasitic capitalist pigs) but the Jobcenter then appeared sent her to a poundshop stacking shelves. Don't really see the point in that really. I'm glad someone else got it. If she was sat on her arse doing nowt and claiming her money fine but she was volunteering at the museum using her qualifications etc. Wasn't this what the tories wanted as part of the 'Big Society'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted February 13, 2013 Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2013 I'm glad someone else got it. If she was sat on her arse doing nowt and claiming her money fine but she was volunteering at the museum using her qualifications etc. Wasn't this what the tories wanted as part of the 'Big Society'? aye, I get why she was pissed off, it's just how do you apply this across the board? you either tell a job seeker to take one of their specially assigned jobs, or they don't get dole - once "special" circumstances come into play, you have to start individually assessing each case which could become a real ball ache and waste of time/money she was a special and genuine case, but there's nowt to stop your average scroat from making on he's volunteering down some random mate's place of work or something, then in reality, doing nowt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted February 13, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2013 what were the chances of her ever getting a job at said museum she looks unemployable to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I thought the tax payers owned Northern Rock ? vigin own it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 what were the chances of her ever getting a job at said museum she looks unemployable to me She looks like the sort who should be working in a museum or a library - anyway, I still reckon you'd smash her back doors in if she asked nicely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter White on Tyne Posted February 13, 2013 Site Supporter Share Posted February 13, 2013 Maybe the geologists should own Northern Rock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 aye, I get why she was pissed off, it's just how do you apply this across the board? you either tell a job seeker to take one of their specially assigned jobs, or they don't get dole - once "special" circumstances come into play, you have to start individually assessing each case which could become a real ball ache and waste of time/money she was a special and genuine case, but there's nowt to stop your average scroat from making on he's volunteering down some random mate's place of work or something, then in reality, doing nowt isnt that what the whole signing on at the job centre is for? what were the chances of her ever getting a job at said museum she looks unemployable to me At that museum? no idea but now she has experience in the field her chances of getting a job in a museum have increased greatly. How likely were poundland to give her a job? I've no issue with the scheme as such but if someone is donating their time to a museum/school/community project why send em shelf stacking in Poundland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted February 13, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2013 reet, my main point was that she is a pig if we're going to start talking the specifics opf her case, i'd need more info firstly, when did she graduate how many jobs come up per year in her chosen field i doubt theres many museums going to be opening any time soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted February 13, 2013 Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2013 3 years ago, she's been volunteering 3 days a week. Ergo, with my degree in Rocket Science, that's 3 days a week she's not been "job seeking". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffs Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I think the specifics of her and the ethos are getting too mixed up. It's never going to be perfect but its also fucking daft sending a brickie to work with a dentist and a nurse to work as a hodcarrier, when a bit of thought could match right people with the right environment. If that 'luxury' does not exist then its horses for courses becuase if my kids were going hungry then I'd sweep the fucking streets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted February 13, 2013 Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2013 isnt that what the whole signing on at the job centre is for? not really, or the way I'm seeing it: She goes to job centre - she says she won't take job at poundland as she's working at museum - do they then a) take her word for it and leave her be go and investigate further, maybe visit the museum etc - this is what I meant by assessing each case c) say no, it's one of our jobs or you get no dole a - open to all sorts of abuse and lies from bone idle scroats b - too time consuming and would add lots of resource at great expense c - will ensure most people work for their dole, but there'll be some "collateral damage" along the way I can see why they go with C, but they just need to find a better way of applying it I was once signing on after being made redundant with a degree in computing and 2 years experience of web dev - I was looking for jobs that I was suitable for, but they wanted to send me to interviews for loosely related jobs, i.e. a computer sales shop etc - I was having none of it either, I know where she's coming from - so how do you determine what jobs are suitable for what people? or do you start letting grads/skilled folk find their own volunteer work but non grads/skilled have to take whatever is thrown at them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Some jobsworth cunt at DWP could easily have made 1 (yes, one!) phone call to verify her museum claim. DWP is a fucking cushy job, that's for sure. People who've never done a day's graft in their life "advising" others on howto get a job. Twatstains and fucksticks: the lot of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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