jules_darby Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Knight can play well when he doesn't have to baby sit atleast 2 other players. Unfair on tierney / baptiste but they haven't exactly started on fire They both had to play on their own on the entire flanks v QPR and Baptiste was made LB at Blackburn; I'm not surprised they haven't "started on fire" They're both plenty good enough for this league and for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bwfcdan Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Dawson is a good player, and would have improved us, but it's now dear he's not coming back, we just need to move on. You would think he's of the calibre of Lionel Messi the way that some people are going on though. Agreed. Ridiculous this now, just need to let it go and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted September 5, 2013 Site Supporter Share Posted September 5, 2013 Knight is the main cause of our problems. I'm not making him the scapegoat, he is simply not enough. Someone his size should be chipping in with at least 5 or 6 goals a season from set play but I think he's scored twice in all the time he's been with us. He should also be able to aggressively attack set plays in our own area but he doesn't seem able to do that either. I know 3 successive managers have all rated him (or at least played him) and they must see something I don't. I genuinely do not believe he is a good player and can't wait for the day the big lumbering oaf plays his last game. I'd love Dawson back like the next man but if it ain't happening, then lets try to find a solution to our woes with what we have in the squad already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Knight is the main cause of our problems. I'm not making him the scapegoat, he is simply not enough. Someone his size should be chipping in with at least 5 or 6 goals a season from set play but I think he's scored twice in all the time he's been with us. I agree that his goal record is nothing short of appalling. BUT I'd happily have him never score a goal for us ever again ... as long as he did what he's paid very handsomely to do, and that is to defend our goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarian1979 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Knight babysitting? Jesus eavesy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I agree that his goal record is nothing short of appalling. BUT I'd happily have him never score a goal for us ever again ... as long as he did what he's paid very handsomely to do, and that is to defend our goal. This this this Goal threat is great but I'd sooner have my centre halves defend and distribute first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 5, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 5, 2013 aye maybe i need to clarify i had no time for jaidi as he couldn't defend for toffee so i agree about the priority for a defender but, when dawson arrived we started getting goals on the board which changes the whole feel of the game it meant we carried a threat from set pieces a completely fresh dimension to our play anyway, back to knight, the fact he doesn't get his head on balls into the opposition box IS symbolic of his lack of bollocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 aye maybe i need to clarify i had no time for jaidi as he couldn't defend for toffee so i agree about the priority for a defender but, when dawson arrived we started getting goals on the board which changes the whole feel of the game it meant we carried a threat from set pieces a completely fresh dimension to our play anyway, back to knight, the fact he doesn't get his head on balls into the opposition box IS symbolic of his lack of bollocks Yep, I'm with you on all of that I'm glad there's an international break to be honest....hopefully DF has them getting their shit together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Knight has been a regular selection for 7 managers. Someone somewhere thinks he has ability. I'd tend to agree. He dies, however, have concentration issues and you can't coach players out of that, hence the need for a "talker" next to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Much of this discussion leads to me to think that Bolger should be given a chance at this level. He can certainly defend impressively at lower levels, so he may (or may not) cut it in the first team. And he cetainly is a genuine scoring option from corners. We definitely need goals from somewhere. From where we are now, what is there to lose by trying him out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eavesy Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Knight babysitting? Jesus eavesy. I'm not saying he's good at it, but at the minute he's having to do it. With Dawson and alonso either side of him all he had to do was defend. Which he is very capable of. With wheater and a right back at left back or a bedding in tierney either side of him suddenly knight has to do a hell of alot more. It's no coincidence that every ball Blackburn put in the box, long throws, crosses, knight was the one one getting rid of em. But eventually it's gunna take its strain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I'm not saying he's good at it, but at the minute he's having to do it. With Dawson and alonso either side of him all he had to do was defend. Which he is very capable of. With wheater and a right back at left back or a bedding in tierney either side of him suddenly knight has to do a hell of alot more. Are you honestly suggesting that Alonso was a better defender than Tierney? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 5, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 5, 2013 Are you honestly suggesting that Alonso was a better defender than Tierney? can't say we've seen owt to say if he's better or worse but he did acknowledge Tierney as "bedding in" only thing that stands out re: Tierney so far was his cross for Pratley's goal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 can't say we've seen owt to say if he's better or worse but he did acknowledge Tierney as "bedding in" only thing that stands out re: Tierney so far was his cross for Pratley's goal I've little doubt that Alonso is technically better and gave us more threat going forward. However, he was very poor when it came to defending. I simply don't agree that Knight is being hampered by having to 'babysit' Tierney yet he didn't have to worry about Alonso. Besides, whether he's having to cover anyone else's position or not is still no excuse for his lack of effort , or failing to 'bust a gut' to get back into the correct position - prime example being Rhodes' second on Saturday (and yes, I fully accept that it was Wheater's dreadful error in the first place). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted September 5, 2013 Author Share Posted September 5, 2013 Alonso was too slow for a top defender. As you'd expect he was excellent from a technical standpoint, but if you're slower than Paul Robinson and playing in a league with speedy wingers you're going to be a liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfc2003 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Knight has been a regular selection for 7 managers. Someone somewhere thinks he has ability. I'd tend to agree. He dies, however, have concentration issues and you can't coach players out of that, hence the need for a "talker" next to him. Think Jimmy Phillips is the only one to drop him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Besides, whether he's having to cover anyone else's position or not is still no excuse for his lack of effort , or failing to 'bust a gut' to get back into the correct position - prime example being Rhodes' second on Saturday (and yes, I fully accept that it was Wheater's dreadful error in the first place). He got into position and lost out in a 50/50 challenge. Shit happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted September 5, 2013 Author Share Posted September 5, 2013 Think Jimmy Phillips is the only one to drop him Coyle put him on the bench a few times, but Jiminho the only man to drop him from the 18 man squad, IIRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) He got into position and lost out in a 50/50 challenge. Shit happens. Huh? You sure you're talking about Rhodes' second (Blackburn's fourth). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhLUk6mJ2HQ 55 seconds in. Edited September 5, 2013 by DazBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 5, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 5, 2013 phillips was questioned about that his answer - maybe it was him being diplomatic - was that it allowed us to play a higher line ie he turns like something that turns very slow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Huh? You sure you're talking about Rhodes' second (Blackburn's fourth). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhLUk6mJ2HQ 55 seconds in. Sorry, I thought you meant their second (also scored by Rhodes) Piss poor for that one you couldn't show on screen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghana White Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 The worse things that has happened for knight is being made captain as we're now all analysing his every touch. I'm not a great fan of knight but I wish he'd been allowed to just get on with his game and we'd made someone else captain. God knows who though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted September 5, 2013 Author Share Posted September 5, 2013 phillips was questioned about that his answer - maybe it was him being diplomatic - was that it allowed us to play a higher line ie he turns like something that turns very slow Like the friggin Exxon Valdez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 The worse things that has happened for knight is being made captain as we're now all analysing his every touch. I'm not a great fan of knight but I wish he'd been allowed to just get on with his game and we'd made someone else captain. God knows who though I think as that's where I'm at. I'm no fan of his, but too much of the blame is being put at his door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Piss poor for that one you couldn't show on screen Ner ner ner ner ner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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