anewman Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Keep him or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I've not seen anything to suggest that we should have got him on a pre-contract agreement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Did well at Charlton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianofcleveleys Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Got better with each game he's played in a deeper position, clearly wasn't suited by playing further forward, so DF was hardly doing him any favours when he was new to the club in terms of him getting off to a positive start with the support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marple whites Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Just seen that goal again on sky, hells bells. He is certainly improving week on week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Played well today could be the bouncer in midfield covering the back 4 and playing simple passes to better players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Had a cracking game today. The sort of game which builds up that little bit of hope which will undoubtedly be dashed by him having a stinker against Brum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Turns like a tanker Great strike today and he played well today to be fair...he also pings a ball well but if we want up he's not for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Norpig Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) He's got better every week. Not sure if he's any better than what we have. Great goal though. Edited April 28, 2014 by The Norpig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrp Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 he's a good player another one of a long list who will make the 'experts' look like fools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannyroad58 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Dog shit at the beginning but he's improved week on week so probably worth a punt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Dog shit at the beginning but he's improved week on week so probably worth a punt Haven't we already punted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Dog shit at the beginning but he's improved week on week so probably worth a punt Haven't we already punted? For some reason I thought we had already signed him on a contract, or at the very least had an agreement in place that we would be signing him permanently as soon as we are allowed to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 28, 2014 Moderators Share Posted April 28, 2014 For some reason I thought we had already signed him on a contract, or at the very least had an agreement in place that we would be signing him permanently as soon as we are allowed to the reason you think that is that it was made clear that was the case when he signed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannyroad58 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 But shirley we could still pull the plug if DF didn't think he fit into his plans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 But shirley we could still pull the plug if DF didn't think he fit into his plans? Bit like the Didi Hamann "deal"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 he's a good player another one of a long list who will make the 'experts' look like fools Long list? I remember the same prophetic statement almost word for word about Owen Coyle Garrpo We all get some players right and some wrong; no need for the assertion that wrong opinions of them make folk look daft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrp Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Long list? I remember the same prophetic statement almost word for word about Owen Coyle Garrpo We all get some players right and some wrong; no need for the assertion that wrong opinions of them make folk look daft We discussed this at Yeovil and Charlton. I've no problem with people getting it right or wrong. My problem is them being written off before being given a proper chance. Like I said with Coyle and I say with Freedman, I will want them sacked when its beyond all doubt they don't know what they are doing. You won't ever get me saying Dougie out one week and then the next he should be given more time. Time up for me for Coyle was after losing to Hull. Yes, he should have been sacked earlier but we can all use hindsight. You won't find one single person out there who would have Coyle back. It was the right decision. You still get people now saying Sammy Lee should be out next manager. That's because he was sacked too early in my opinion. That's not me saying he would have been any good, I have no idea but the reason you get people suggesting him getting another go is because we don't know beyond all doubt if he could have been any good. Anyway, this was about players not managers and its completely different. You and many others wrote Trotter off after a few games. You didn't just say he'd played poorly, you said he was shit, not good enough, terrible signing etc etc. You wouldn't admit he had a good game against barnsley (in his proper position) and even after Saturday "if we want to go up he's not for us". He's not the first and he won't be the last. All im asking is for fans to give players a chance and not get on their back if they aren't Man of the Match on the debut. It works the opposite way too. Joe Riley is the best right back to ever have played the game after our 5-0 win against Stoke. He gets better and better the longer he's out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylswhite Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 We discussed this at Yeovil and Charlton. I've no problem with people getting it right or wrong. My problem is them being written off before being given a proper chance. Like I said with Coyle and I say with Freedman, I will want them sacked when its beyond all doubt they don't know what they are doing. You won't ever get me saying Dougie out one week and then the next he should be given more time. Time up for me for Coyle was after losing to Hull. Yes, he should have been sacked earlier but we can all use hindsight. You won't find one single person out there who would have Coyle back. It was the right decision. You still get people now saying Sammy Lee should be out next manager. That's because he was sacked too early in my opinion. That's not me saying he would have been any good, I have no idea but the reason you get people suggesting him getting another go is because we don't know beyond all doubt if he could have been any good. Anyway, this was about players not managers and its completely different. You and many others wrote Trotter off after a few games. You didn't just say he'd played poorly, you said he was shit, not good enough, terrible signing etc etc. You wouldn't admit he had a good game against barnsley (in his proper position) and even after Saturday "if we want to go up he's not for us". He's not the first and he won't be the last. All im asking is for fans to give players a chance and not get on their back if they aren't Man of the Match on the debut. It works the opposite way too. Joe Riley is the best right back to ever have played the game after our 5-0 win against Stoke. He gets better and better the longer he's out. Fuck off talking sense. Your clogging the place up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted April 28, 2014 Site Supporter Share Posted April 28, 2014 We discussed this at Yeovil and Charlton. I've no problem with people getting it right or wrong. My problem is them being written off before being given a proper chance. Like I said with Coyle and I say with Freedman, I will want them sacked when its beyond all doubt they don't know what they are doing. You won't ever get me saying Dougie out one week and then the next he should be given more time. Time up for me for Coyle was after losing to Hull. Yes, he should have been sacked earlier but we can all use hindsight. You won't find one single person out there who would have Coyle back. It was the right decision. You still get people now saying Sammy Lee should be out next manager. That's because he was sacked too early in my opinion. That's not me saying he would have been any good, I have no idea but the reason you get people suggesting him getting another go is because we don't know beyond all doubt if he could have been any good. Anyway, this was about players not managers and its completely different. You and many others wrote Trotter off after a few games. You didn't just say he'd played poorly, you said he was shit, not good enough, terrible signing etc etc. You wouldn't admit he had a good game against barnsley (in his proper position) and even after Saturday "if we want to go up he's not for us". He's not the first and he won't be the last. All im asking is for fans to give players a chance and not get on their back if they aren't Man of the Match on the debut. It works the opposite way too. Joe Riley is the best right back to ever have played the game after our 5-0 win against Stoke. He gets better and better the longer he's out. You won't win many friends on here with that attitude...... however it's well worth a +1 !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 28, 2014 Moderators Share Posted April 28, 2014 jules, as the season draws to a close, we should put our weapons down for the summer however, danns, medo and trotter...all shit??? you may want to leave it a bit before writing them off in future however, garpos wrong about davies and he won't admit it, so why should you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrp Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 however, garpos wrong about davies and he won't admit it, so why should you That is true the difference Davies had had more years with bolton than Trotter has had games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 28, 2014 Moderators Share Posted April 28, 2014 indeed you'd watched him years and still got it wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Garrp, get back on the ale lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) jules, as the season draws to a close, we should put our weapons down for the summer however, danns, medo and trotter...all shit??? you may want to leave it a bit before writing them off in future however, garpos wrong about davies and he won't admit it, so why should you OK.... Danns; first few games he looked a headless chicken for me; I didn't get having both him and Pratley amongst our other glut of midfielders, but since then Pratley, Mavies and Holden have been unavailable for various reasons and Eagles has disappeared....assuming at the time that they were all going to be available I didn't get the move for him. However, he's grown into the role and doesn't go missing half as much...I'll readily admit I was wrong with Danns - he's good enough for us. I also believe he has a brilliant attitude etc so hands up - no problem there Medo; actually this is the other way around; I rated him at first, but over time I have seen what appears to be his desire wane - it may be because it's a different view up as high as I sit, but both Gumbo and I have regularly commented about him drifting in midfield - he lets his man go very often and his passing has appeared to be dreadful. He goes after it when he loses it, but I think he's got worse and worse after a bright start for us. Now, he was dropped inexplicably earlier in the season when he was having a good run so there may be issues behind the scenes with him. I have no evidence, but my gut is that he's either trouble, or alternatively has fallen out with DF and co Trotter; to his credit he's been played in 3 different positions and he strikes a lovely ball - either passing or shooting...however, what I don't think will change is the way he has ambled between phases of play like Medo...I believe much of the game passes him by, he has 1 pace and is a softy for a big lad. Happy to see how he is beginning of next season, but I just don't see him being a success. As for Barnsley I honestly didn't think he was very good - he was poor IMO and the same for the folk who sit around me! However he was decent Saturday.... You may disagree with the above, but it's all thought out and not just a lashing out at anyone and everyone.... And I'm with Garrp on the likes of Joe Riley...however, we can't write him off either...we simply don't know Edited April 28, 2014 by jules_darby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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