mickbrown Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Hahahaha! Looking forward to Bolty's response... Aye, me too. I'm going for the old fishing trip excuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted February 5, 2018 Members Share Posted February 5, 2018 Have I missed something Micky baby? Fuck me, yon mon looks forward to my responses. If only the feeling was mutual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Seen that vid?He’s got one hell of a combover. Bobby Charlton has fuck all on the Donald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) Trump is delivering on what he promised his supporters - in their eyes if no-one else's The Democrat's are in deep shit if they don't abandon the poison of the Clintons Folk can whine on and on and on and on about Trump but unless a credible alternative can be found he will garner more support Much as in the UK, the "left" are struggling because the "home-grown" voters will no longer accept liberal poilicies. Doesn't matter what you think but I agree with what bolty said on here a long time ago about Newton - for every reaction there will be an equal and opposite reaction - the left went too far (worldwide) and we are now seeing Newton's effect coming into play There hasn’t been any left wing party governing the UK for over 30 years. We’ve had ever increasing right wing and centre right politics in this country. Not sure there has been a left wing president in the USA the last century either. Edited February 8, 2018 by bwfcfan5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Seen that vid?He’s got one hell of a combover. Bobby Charlton has fuck all on the Donald Is the vid real ? Only just seen it, not arguing or contesting it one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) Is the vid real ? Only just seen it, not arguing or contesting it one bit. Bad CGI Edited February 8, 2018 by Boo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 There hasn’t been any left wing party governing the UK for over 30 years. We’ve had ever increasing right wing and centre right politics in this country. Not sure there has been a left wing president in the USA the last century either. McGovern was a left-wing Democrat who stood in 1972. He got wiped out in the polls by Nixon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Is the vid real ? Only just seen it, not arguing or contesting it one bit. Actually, now you mention it, I have no clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites man Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 There hasn’t been any left wing party governing the UK for over 30 years. We’ve had ever increasing right wing and centre right politics in this country. Not sure there has been a left wing president in the USA the last century either. Textbook Leftyism there. When challenged that Communism doesn't work they always respond "it has been tried yet". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Textbook Leftyism there. When challenged that Communism doesn't work they always respond "it has been tried yet". What part of the last 30 odd years of neoliberalism has been anything to do with left wing politics? Absolutely none is the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 What part of the last 30 odd years of neoliberalism has been anything to do with left wing politics? Absolutely none is the answer. Inaccurate, in my view. Whilst Blair was chucking out his Neo-Con/Lib shite his mate in Number 10 (11) was spending with true socialist abandon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 McGovern was a left-wing Democrat who stood in 1972. He got wiped out in the polls by Nixon. Wasn’t McGovern a central midfield player manager after Pele’s short stint for us ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Inaccurate, in my view. Whilst Blair was chucking out his Neo-Con/Lib shite his mate in Number 10 (11) was spending with true socialist abandon. Haven't the Tories spent more in real terms? Spending is not a facet of socialism necessarily. I believe Conservative governments on average have spent more. Brown was certainly economically far closer to the centre or even centre right than the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites man Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Haven't the Tories spent more in real terms? Spending is not a facet of socialism necessarily. I believe Conservative governments on average have spent more. Brown was certainly economically far closer to the centre or even centre right than the left. You see my earlier post about the Left always saying Communism hasn't been tried yet? Well there you go, you are saying the Labour governments of 1997 to 2010 weren't really Labour governments. That's the point that went over your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 You see my earlier post about the Left always saying Communism hasn't been tried yet? Well there you go, you are saying the Labour governments of 1997 to 2010 weren't really Labour governments. That's the point that went over your head. They weren't by any measure socialist, that's for sure. Not really sure there is much to argue with there. They were far closer to where I am than Corbyn is. But Blair and Brown were the very face of modern neoliberalism, free market politics. The continuation of Thatcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites man Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 They weren't by any measure socialist, that's for sure. Not really sure there is much to argue with there. They were far closer to where I am than Corbyn is. But Blair and Brown were the very face of modern neoliberalism, free market politics. The continuation of Thatcher. Blair yes but as he became more interested in foreign affairs than being PM Brown with his more traditional Labour values increasingly drove the bus domestically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted February 9, 2018 Members Share Posted February 9, 2018 One thing which you can always rely on with left leaners. Denial. They are constantly in it. Simple question, would you vote for anyone who would contribute to making an avowed Marxist with a clear history of supporting Irish Republican terrorism the PM? Anyone who would is clearly either cut from the same cloth or is off their head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 The myth that Brown was a freewheeling socialist still seems to have stuck with the right, completely against all facts to the contrary (and the fact conservatives themselves followed a similar economic textbook at the time) Brown was just as much the architect of New Labour along with Blair following the leadership of Smith who they felt wasn’t pushing the modernising agenda far enough. The were supported in this by Kinnock who knew after 92 the party needed radical reform and not just rely on how unpopular the Tories were in 96/7. This Third Way did curdle into what has become the rather toxic neo-liberalism, mainly due to the dreadful foreign policies, but to go back to the original point dontcswallow the Crosby line with regard to Brown. And no one is saying Communism will work, for what I can see, I think some on the right here still find it different to understand you can be centre left - moderation and modernisation is not just the territory of the right - and in the current position of popularism and isolationism it isn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites man Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 You cannot be centre left in Corbyn's Labour Party, as a Blairite I am persona non grata to the Momentum lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 You cannot be centre left in Corbyn's Labour Party, as a Blairite I am persona non grata to the Momentum lot. Have you tried going to one of their meetings then? Or are you a Labour Party member? I'm just interested as I've literally never come into contact with anybody from Momentum - and I'd be quite interested to talk to them. Not because I particularly agree with them - just because I'd like to make my own mind up about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Have you tried going to one of their meetings then? Or are you a Labour Party member? I'm just interested as I've literally never come into contact with anybody from Momentum - and I'd be quite interested to talk to them. Not because I particularly agree with them - just because I'd like to make my own mind up about them. Fran is standing and is Momentum- have a word with her. I’m a Blairite, it’s sometimes been heated (especially with the London based Momentum people) but when I went to Labour meetings (full disclosure I managed 5 times so this isn’t a comprehensive overview!) it was the old school socialists that were the biggest issue to change. Which is why I stopped going (not a good reason I know) but the whole comrade thing from a few (even though there were others who rolled their eyes at this) was offputting to me personally. But as I say, that’s based on five times 8 years ago so I’m hardly in a position to be the authority on Labour Party meetings with Momentum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 On 14 July 1998, Gordon Brown announced that (New) Labour would double public spending over the next 10 years. He spunked money in every direction. We are still picking up the pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 On 14 July 1998, Gordon Brown announced that (New) Labour would double public spending over the next 10 years. He spunked money in every direction. We are still picking up the pieces. He really didn't - not when you compare it with what the country was bringing in at the time. And not when you compare it Thatchers early time in office. The difference was the financial crisis. Which has probably been the greatest asset to Tory propaganda in their history. Maybe our exit from the EU will do the same for the Labour Party in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 He really didn't - not when you compare it with what the country was bringing in at the time. And not when you compare it Thatchers early time in office. The difference was the financial crisis. Which has probably been the greatest asset to Tory propaganda in their history. Maybe our exit from the EU will do the same for the Labour Party in time. For example; Public sector employment rose by 21% between 1997 and 2009, This "buying jobs" really came home to roost in the financial crisis, for which Brown left us particularly ill-prepared, especially as he was taking huge tax from the banks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 There is no magic money tree - until the Tories suddenly find a few billion to be propped up by the DUP. All this after an election that nobody wanted. Now that is wasting money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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