Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted October 10, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted October 10, 2018 Youth to championship is a massive gap. These lads need loaning out to lower league clubs yet meaning they will be at least 12 months from 1st team level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 There was an interview with Kevin Keegan on Radio 4 on Saturday morning. He said his scoring record in every season with Liverpool in the top tier was better than in his 3 seasons with Scunny in the fourth. He reckoned that when Liverpool players saw him running into space they could give an accurate and weighted pass, whereas before, even if players did see his run they could not execute the pass most of the time. JSL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Wanderer Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 So it’s about patching up now with older players rather than work with and develop academy players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 10, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 10, 2018 It's about the here and now Develop a player to be good enough next season and every chance they'll be doing it in the third tier As for Ireland, I'd not be sleeping well if I was oztumer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton va va Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Connor Hall is considered to be the best current prospect but he was completely out of his depth when he played at Leeds, & as has been said, he can't get a game at Accrington now. It's not that the academy players are having their progress blocked by older players, they're just not good enough yet & need to go out on loan to lower league clubs to try & develop & gain experience. The jump straight from u23's to championship is too big for most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 The jump from league 1 to championship is fucking massive. Why would the jump from the second division of the reserves to the championship be any less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 10, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Casino said: It's about the here and now Develop a player to be good enough next season and every chance they'll be doing it in the third tier As for Ireland, I'd not be sleeping well if I was oztumer I think Oztumer can rest easy for now, he's scored more goals in the last 4 seasons that Ireland has played games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 10, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 10, 2018 Hes definitely scored more goals than ireland ever has in division 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 10, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Casino said: Hes definitely scored more goals than ireland ever has in division 3 I reckon it'll put him in better stead for this season than 4 years of premier League injuries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzo gambaro Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 9 hours ago, ZicoKelly said: I think Oztumer can rest easy for now, he's scored more goals in the last 4 seasons that Ireland has played games Aye, 73 league starts this decade, Ireland. It might be a masterstroke but I reckon a low risk failure is far more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 More of a Micheal Bridges than a Gary Speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, gonzo said: More of a Micheal Bridges than a Gary Speed. If he's this seasons Wilbrahamovic and pops up with a vital performance I'll be chuffed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 11, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, enzo gambaro said: Aye, 73 league starts this decade, Ireland. It might be a masterstroke but I reckon a low risk failure is far more likely. aye, this season's Kirchhoff maybe no harm in trying, but, no great expectations either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 11, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted October 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: aye, this season's Kirchhoff maybe no harm in trying, but, no great expectations either Absolutely. 14 hours ago, MalcolmW said: There was an interview with Kevin Keegan on Radio 4 on Saturday morning. He said his scoring record in every season with Liverpool in the top tier was better than in his 3 seasons with Scunny in the fourth. He reckoned that when Liverpool players saw him running into space they could give an accurate and weighted pass, whereas before, even if players did see his run they could not execute the pass most of the time. JSL A good point. It may well be that our youngsters aren't good enough, it may also be possible that given a chance with so called better players they would grow. As it stands it seems we're not going to find out. I do wonder how long we can keep fire fighting with all these older players though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Ratwhite Posted October 11, 2018 Author Site Supporter Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Absolutely. A good point. It may well be that our youngsters aren't good enough, it may also be possible that given a chance with so called better players they would grow. As it stands it seems we're not going to find out. I do wonder how long we can keep fire fighting with all these older players though. BSA didnt do too bad with "these older players" JSL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySanchez Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 5 hours ago, gonzo said: More of a Micheal Bridges than a Gary Speed. Or a Matt Jansen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eavesy Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Ratwhite said: BSA didnt do too bad with "these older players" JSL There is an argument he left us with zero selable assets leading to an unsustainable business model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, Eavesy said: There is an argument he left us with zero selable assets leading to an unsustainable business model. We sold Anelka for a club record fee. I take your point - but you cannot manufacture top footballers in an academy/u23 setup if they aren't there. Most clubs bring through one every few years into some form of first team football. We're at the point where we certainly cannot be worrying too much about developing young players unless we can do so without risking first team results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger_Dubuis Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 33 minutes ago, Eavesy said: There is an argument he left us with zero selable assets leading to an unsustainable business model. There's also an argument he left us with more saleable assets than any manager in Bolton's history.Anelka, Nolan, Diouf, Al Habsi and Faye were sold for a combined £28 million and then there was Jussi, Ben Haim and Kevin Davies all of whom had a few years left in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said: We're at the point where we certainly cannot be worrying too much about developing young players unless we can do so without risking first team results. I think every team in the country could make that argument. The financial impact of league placings means young players just don't get a run of games to test their worth. Connor Hall has been written off by some on the basis of 45 minutes in a league cup match at Leeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 11, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted October 11, 2018 6 hours ago, Ratwhite said: BSA didnt do too bad with "these older players" JSL Actually a fair point, though they were a tad better than the ones we have now. Sam was also better than parky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/bolton-could-scupper-loi-big-guns-daniel-kelly-move-37407440.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomRepWanderer Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, gonzo said: https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/bolton-could-scupper-loi-big-guns-daniel-kelly-move-37407440.html Another winger, just what we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, DomRepWanderer said: Another winger, just what we need. We should always be interested in promising 22 yr olds who we can get cheaply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton va va Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 20 minutes ago, DomRepWanderer said: Another winger, just what we need. Ameobi is hit & miss, & often injured......Buckley & Noone aren't really traditional wingers & seem to be more effective as subs........& Wildshutt has been hopeless. So yes, we do need a winger. & this one seems to be at an age & cost that we should be looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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