Wways Election Poll

[Not in Crawley]

You are a card can you imagine Corbyn wheeling in Abbot to Brussels for negotiations waving a white flag in one hand and the red flag in the other unilaterally giving everything away without so much as a negotiation on the other hand the Tory party have repeatedly stated their basic requirements which is free trade/control of borders and taking control back from the ECJ supporting Labour is akin to supporting the EU and siding with Sturgeon and will only weaken our chances of getting a good deal.  Regarding Tory record on growth and economy I would advise you check the socialist government of France and their growth and unemployment rates against ours over the last 7 years, throw in the high number of days lost to strikes called by the French Unions and you have a recipe for under performing economy and high unemployment. Voting for this Labour party is a mentalist decision, once Labour get its house in order then they might have a chance of becoming a decent opposition, first they have to lose this election heavily for that process to begin.       

 

 

 

How do you know they will wave the white flag? You don't. You haven't the foggiest. How do you know what the Tories will do? Again, you don't. None of us do.

 

So when Labour says there will be no deal will the SNP you choose to just ignore it, because it doesn't fit into what you want to hear?

 

You want me to check the rate of growth of a foreign country with a different party to judge the record of the last 7 years of the Conservatives?

 

You have no idea, I have no idea - no one has a clue what the Tories will do in the negotiations, they haven't said anything. For the Brexit election, they haven't said a word about what will happen, other than it'll be strong. And that, my friend, is a fucking disgrace.

[Escobarp]

You're a deeply unpleasant little shit aren't you?

Not really no. You're the one who started giving it the big un not me.

But you're entitled to your opinion as is everybody

[Escobarp]

And little doesn't really cut the mustard either

[Mounts Kipper]

How do you know they will wave the white flag? You don't. You haven't the foggiest. How do you know what the Tories will do? Again, you don't. None of us do.

 

So when Labour says there will be no deal will the SNP you choose to just ignore it, because it doesn't fit into what you want to hear?

 

You want me to check the rate of growth of a foreign country with a different party to judge the record of the last 7 years of the Conservatives?

 

You have no idea, I have no idea - no one has a clue what the Tories will do in the negotiations, they haven't said anything. For the Brexit election, they haven't said a word about what will happen, other than it'll be strong. And that, my friend, is a fucking disgrace.

 

 

You have to take a view as to what you feel will happen based on Tory win, Labour win or a hung parliament I have assessed and come to my own conclusions as to what happens next. These conclusions are the reasons I have decided vote Tory party for the first time in my life. If it is any other result than a largish Tory win and I have concluded will be detrimental to the UK.   

[Spider]

Think I used the word before, but the Tories are arrogant and selfish enough (and this is the general feeling among those who despise them) that I think it will work in the country's favour round the negotiating table.

 

I hate to sound like a corporate cunt, but boardroom battles need people with boardroom backgrounds and an attitude that is extremely sef-serving.

 

Who better than a Tory for that?

 

 

I just don't see a Labour delegation being strong enough.

 

As far as other policies, the Tories are mainly wankers but have the edge again.

[Maggie Tate]

How do you know they will wave the white flag? You don't. You haven't the foggiest. How do you know what the Tories will do? Again, you don't. None of us do.

 

 

Because Corbyn said there will be a deal. Ultimately that means that at best he will accept the EU's bottom line. If you think that's a good thing, vote for him. May says we will walk away if needs be. Go out to a showroom now and tell the bloke that you WILL be buying a car today. See if he laughs out loud or under his breathe.

[Not in Crawley]

We will walk away. Is that the best you've got?

 

Brilliant. That's not strong, that's weak as piss.

 

Sorry, just realised you'd made an analogy between exiting the EU to buying a used car. That's it, you've convinced me.

 

If to be arrogant is a bargaining tool, then it's not enough, and can anyone tell me why David Davies is the man for this job? Other than people like him.

 

It amazes me that for voters who think that Labour voters need their heads feeling, there is an awful lot of gut feeling and emotional reactions and not a lot of logic.

Edited June 8, 2017 by Not in Crawley

[Spider]

We will walk away. Is that the best you've got?

 

Brilliant. That's not strong, that's weak as piss.

 

Got a point there

 

Corbyn's  perfect example.

 

75% of his party wanted him to fuck off but he's hung on like a Venky

[Tonge moor green jacket]

None of us know exactly what the brexit deal will be, nor what exactly the pm or corbyn's really want. As discussed elsewhere this may not be a bad thing- do you show your cards before you start to play?

It is also highly likely that they don't fully know what they can get- perhaps just lines in the sand for minimum requirements.

 

What is quite clear however, that labour seems more split than any other party on brexit, the lib dems want another vote, SNP want to avoid it, and ukip won't be able to affect the discussions.

 

So we're left with the Tories. Seemingly the most likely to negotiate best. Not guaranteed but that's how it seems.

Moreover as it happened on there watch I believe they should be given the opportunity to carry on the process to its conclusion and the few years after.

Then we can all make a more rational opinion.

Its also last chance saloon too with regard to NHS and wages etc. Whatever the reality is, the perception is struggling services and low wages; sooner or later people will choose to turn away from the current regime if things don't improve and try again for the spend and invest in public services that brown used.

There's arguments for both, its just the level its pushed to that will see it swing to and forth.

[L/H White]

does anyone think a hung parliment is a realisitc possibilty?

[birch-chorley]

Of course it is mate, the Tories only need to lose a few seats

[madthatter]

Think I used the word before, but the Tories are arrogant and selfish enough (and this is the general feeling among those who despise them) that I think it will work in the country's favour round the negotiating table.

 

I hate to sound like a corporate cunt, but boardroom battles need people with boardroom backgrounds and an attitude that is extremely sef-serving.

 

Who better than a Tory for that?

 

 

I just don't see a Labour delegation being strong enough.

 

As far as other policies, the Tories are mainly wankers but have the edge again.

 

You could well have a good point there.  Not sure it will be enough to sway me one way or the other though- still feel I'll go Labour if I do vote.

[Escobarp]

Of course it is mate, the Tories only need to lose a few seats

Anything is possible but appears highly unlikely would have been my response.

[Whites man]

Sorry, just realised you'd made an analogy between exiting the EU to buying a used car. That's it, you've convinced me.

Haha, still laughing a half hour after reading that.

[Mixu]

The left wing cable are smarting today.

[birch-chorley]

Anything is possible but appears highly unlikely would have been my response.

That's what I would have said at this stage ahead of the EU referendum

 

Bookies said 12/1 I agreed with them

 

Polls mean less and less now - beware the anti establishment vote

 

Edit - I'd be nearly as devastated with Corbyn as I was with the referendum

Edited June 8, 2017 by birch-chorley

[Escobarp]

That's what I would have said at this stage ahead of the EU referendum

Bookies said 12/1 I agreed with them

Polls mean less and less now - beware the anti establishment vote

Edit - I'd be nearly as decestated with Corbyn as I was with the referendum

Very fair point

[Escobarp]

I'm hoping the anti terrorism vote helps the Tories gain a big majority

[tomski]

I can just about put up with deluded reds, also ran yellows whose centrist philosophies would mean nothing worthwhile would ever get done and even votes wasted on minor parties (except the fucking odious Greens - the most sinister political party around).

 

To not vote? People have fought and died for the right to our democracy and, whilst I will accept that you have a democratic right not to vote, I will never understand those who don't unless they want to feel good about moaning about whoever gets elected as they can honestly say they didn't vote for them.

 

They need to introduce the Australian system of fining those who don't vote - that would sort it.

 

Not aware of anyone in my extended family voting anything other than blue.

 

Blue is the colour.

I'm not voting because every option available this time is shit. I don't care who gets in for the reasons above. If myself and other voters of a like mind turn out, perhaps the government and all involved will think everything is hunky dory.

 

A low turn out maybe will help support a shake up. Also I'm sick of everyone being a campaigner wanting you to vote their way on social media. I can't wait till this shite is over and one of the Muppets in charge become PM.

 

It's a sad state of affairs but it's how I feel

[tomski]

I'm hoping the anti terrorism vote helps the Tories gain a big majority

I wasn't sure who you were voting for till this post!

[Not in Crawley]

None of us know exactly what the brexit deal will be, nor what exactly the pm or corbyn's really want. As discussed elsewhere this may not be a bad thing- do you show your cards before you start to play?

It is also highly likely that they don't fully know what they can get- perhaps just lines in the sand for minimum requirements.

 

What is quite clear however, that labour seems more split than any other party on brexit, the lib dems want another vote, SNP want to avoid it, and ukip won't be able to affect the discussions.

 

So we're left with the Tories. Seemingly the most likely to negotiate best. Not guaranteed but that's how it seems.

Moreover as it happened on there watch I believe they should be given the opportunity to carry on the process to its conclusion and the few years after.

Then we can all make a more rational opinion.

Its also last chance saloon too with regard to NHS and wages etc. Whatever the reality is, the perception is struggling services and low wages; sooner or later people will choose to turn away from the current regime if things don't improve and try again for the spend and invest in public services that brown used.

There's arguments for both, its just the level its pushed to that will see it swing to and forth.

Tell me, why is Labour more split on Brexit?

[Not in Crawley]

The left wing cable are smarting today.

Is that the one you plug into the TV or Video player?

[Escobarp]

I wasn't sure who you were voting for till this post!

Haha. I try and keep my views under wraps but it's evidently slipped out this time

[tomski]

Haha. I try and keep my views under wraps but it's evidently slipped out this time

????

[frank_spencer]

Is that the one you plug into the TV or Video player?