gonzo Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Where do we all stand on this? Parents have released a picture today showing the poor lad isn't blind like doctors think. Such a difficult one. I know what I'd be saying if it was my child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 19, 2017 Moderators Share Posted July 19, 2017 i think i know what id be saying if it was my child - but until you are there, fcuk knows i know what i think about charlie gard - i think hes never going to have any quality of life and theres every chance hes suffering and will get worse he should be allowed to diue his parents are using very emotive language, often utter bollocks when it was decided he wouldnt be allowed to leave the hospital 'he will be so upset, we promised him that we would sit together and watch the tv' they are not JUST caring parents, theyre playing a game in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainmed Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 You cannot love somebody too much, but you can love them too much in the wrong way..... Set him free... My personal opinion is they're selfish...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter barryk32 Posted July 19, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted July 19, 2017 One of my employees had to turn his childs machine off, I've never experienced anything more heartbreaking. My view is that as a parent you would absolutely do everything you can to protect your child and this will somewhat cloud your judgment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 19, 2017 Moderators Share Posted July 19, 2017 I think if there is a 10% chance of improvement, it must be explored not just for him but for any other baby born this way I don't have kids and I believe that's the right way to go if I did, I'd be even more determined it was right, no doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 19, 2017 Moderators Share Posted July 19, 2017 I think if there is a 10% chance of improvement, it must be explored not just for him but for any other baby born this way I don't have kids and I believe that's the right way to go if I did, I'd be even more determined it was right, no doubt if that 10% still leaves him in pain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I hate seeing my nipper with a bad cold. I'd be a wreck in this sort of situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I think he should be given every chance if the american doc cant help then the life support should be withdrawn and help given to see he does not suffer in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondi Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) As a parent, I would take the Doctors advice, would have to be 99% chance or so of no hope. Edited July 19, 2017 by Blondi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 19, 2017 Moderators Share Posted July 19, 2017 As a parent, I would take the Doctors advice, would have to be 99% chance or so of no hope. how many doctors would you want to ask before you believed one? lots of medics have said the best thing for the child is to let him go i suspect its also the best thing for the parents to who are currently clinging onto a dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 19, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted July 19, 2017 I think if there is a 10% chance of improvement, it must be explored not just for him but for any other baby born this way I don't have kids and I believe that's the right way to go if I did, I'd be even more determined it was right, no doubt This. The pain issue is interesting; obviously no one would want a child to be in pain, but what does that actually mean? Plenty of folk do live with pain, so its really difficult to decide. I don't see parents playing a game, I see desperate parents hoping for a miracle- if there's a chance of the Americans being able to help then explore it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 19, 2017 Members Share Posted July 19, 2017 I think he should be given every chance if the american doc cant help then the life support should be withdrawn and help given to see he does not suffer in any way. 100% with you and i am no 'right to lifer'. I know what I feel for my son and if there was a 1% chance I would want to give it that chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 19, 2017 Moderators Share Posted July 19, 2017 100% with you and i am no 'right to lifer'. I know what I feel for my son and if there was a 1% chance I would want to give it that chance. and you wouldn't care what it was costing which is understandable (in this case i dont think its a financial issue as its the clinicians saying theres no prospect of an improvement and there folk offering finance anyway) if there weren't outside finances, im of the opinion that finance has to play a part and has to be a consideration something has to give Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 19, 2017 Moderators Share Posted July 19, 2017 if that 10% still leaves him in pain? Well you have to have the treatment to find out I don't think it should be switched off till every possibility has been explored doctors told my dad for over a year he had depression when he actually has Parkinsons, and they had him on all sorts that was making him worse, it was only my folks persistence and challenging those making the decisions that eventually got the right diagnosis and an up turn in his health being on the right meds they get things wrong sometimes so I dont blame the parents when there is an alternative 2nd opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Awful situation Can't bring myself to think about what the parents are going through, just horrible What should happen? I'm just not sure Dreadful stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Let the parents exhaust every opportunity first and if there is no tangible improvement within an agreed timeframe then let him go. Damned if you do damned if you don't so couldn't imagine making those decisions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Hopefully something none of us have to think about. Poor family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 One of my employees had to turn his childs machine off, I've never experienced anything more heartbreaking. My view is that as a parent you would absolutely do everything you can to protect your child and this will somewhat cloud your judgment. I almost blurted out reading that. That would be the lowest ebb I could possibly imagine right now. Poor souls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Great Ormond Street NHS staff being abused now over this, including death threats. There really are some vicious numpties out there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted July 23, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted July 23, 2017 Aren't they just letting their emotions run away with themselves? I've seen normally upstanding pillars of society almost lose it at a football match when a referee gives (in their opinion) a wrong decision. I'd imagine you could multiply that level of emotion 10, 20, 100 fold in this situation, Are the folk doing the protesting any different than Swampy at roadworks? Latching onto the very next thing he can protest about. I don't actually know what actual emotional links these protesters have with the situation other than just feeling sorry for the family. That in itself (in my opinion) makes them "just another protestation group" who have no actual links to whatever it is they're protesting about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 There's a difference between protesting something and sending death threats tbf Micky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 23, 2017 Members Share Posted July 23, 2017 There's a difference between protesting something and sending death threats tbf Micky You are, of course, correct but you should probably make yourself aware of some of the antics of the extreme left - even to members of the parliamentary Labour Party. Chris Bryant for example. Off limits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 You are, of course, correct but you should probably make yourself aware of some of the antics of the extreme left - even to members of the parliamentary Labour Party. Chris Bryant for example. Off limits? Off limits? No and why should it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 With the parents 100% Some milestones to help relate and support that: When Erin was born her Apgar score was zero. At 1 week old we were told that if she didn't show signs of improvement overnight we had to have a conversation about turning off her machine. Her first school told us she would never understand the spoken word and it's meaning. I think anyone on here who has met Erin would tell You, she is one of the happiest kids you will ever have the pleasure of meeting and despite everything brings joy to a room and communicates her needs and feelings without too much problem albeit non-verbally. She will be 14 in September, who is to say that Charlie Gard should not be given that opportunity, if he was your kid you would be fighting in the same way his parents are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 23, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted July 23, 2017 Bloody hell, how did you feel when they said that to you (1 week old bit)? Your head must have been spinning; trying to take everything in, whilst hoping for a miracle. Young charlie should get his chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.