Traf Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Bang on, Mike. Erin is a fantastic young lady, who never seems to let her obvious difficulties get her down. Every kid deserves the chance to make the most of their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Bloody hell, how did you feel when they said that to you (1 week old bit)? Your head must have been spinning; trying to take everything in, whilst hoping for a miracle. Young charlie should get his chance. Numb, empty, helpless, useless. Almost an put of body experience. Nothing can ever prepare you for that. Still get a bit of dust in my eyes thinking back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 24, 2017 Members Share Posted July 24, 2017 Great post Mike. Exactly why Charlie should have the opportunity. Pleased to hear that your situation had a great result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Parents have given up teh legal fight. The parents of terminally-ill baby Charlie Gard have ended their legal challenge to take him to the US for experimental treatment. A lawyer representing Chris Gard and Connie Yates told the High Court that "time had run out" for the 11 month old. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40708343 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted July 24, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) We were told at 6 months that my wife had miscarried our daughter. I spoke to one of the doctors as I was confused because there was still a heartbeat and the scan showed a perfectly healthy baby in there. However, we were told a huge bleed was caused by the womb wall rejecting the placenta. As a parent - even of an unborn child - your instincts kick in. I was told it was "a million to one" chance of survival and that is not something you forget. I can still remember the face of the nurse, the time, the place everything. But I just kept saying " there's a heartbeat, surely there's a chance", and I was met with pitied looks and genuine apologies. I felt foolish for pursuing it but all I can say is that an instinct to just do whatever was needed to not give up kicked in. It's a unique feeling and very strong. My daughter turns 4 next week. Sometimes, even the million to one shots come off. It's a shite situation, but I fully understand their defiance in pushing this as far as they could. Edited July 24, 2017 by Spider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 24, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2017 That's a story and a half. Wonderful outcome though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 I feel the right decision has (finally) been made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) We were told at 6 months that my wife had miscarried our daughter. I spoke to one of the doctors as I was confused because there was still a heartbeat and the scan showed a perfectly healthy baby in there. However, we were told a huge bleed was caused by the womb wall rejecting the placenta. As a parent - even of an unborn child - your instincts kick in. I was told it was "a million to one" chance of survival and that is not something you forget. I can still remember the face of the nurse, the time, the place everything. But I just kept saying " there's a heartbeat, surely there's a chance", and I was met with pitied looks and genuine apologies. I felt foolish for pursuing it but all I can say is that an instinct to just do whatever was needed to not give up kicked in. It's a unique feeling and very strong. My daughter turns 4 next week. Sometimes, even the million to one shots come off. It's a shite situation, but I fully understand their defiance in pushing this as far as they could. Happy birthday to mini Spider next week. Great story with a fantastic outcome. Shame little Charlie wasn't given the same chance 5 month ago when this all first kicked off Edited July 24, 2017 by Mike Hunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 You should blame the American doctor who didn't bother to come over in January then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 25, 2017 Members Share Posted July 25, 2017 You should blame the American doctor who didn't bother to come over in January then Sensing the start of a crusade here? You'd have pulled the pin months ago would you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) A crusade against whom exactly? The case was always hopeless sadly. Hirano didn't bother to come over in January when invited by GOSH and when he did last week he didn't even bother going to examine Charlie or read his medical notes. So really what was the point? And, if there were absolutely no signs of any quality of life and in perpetual pain, yes, I would have turned off the life support. I would hope every loving parent would do the same. Edited July 25, 2017 by jmjhb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 25, 2017 Members Share Posted July 25, 2017 A crusade against whom exactly? The case was always hopeless sadly. Hirano didn't bother to come over in January when invited by GOSH and when he did last week he didn't even bother going to examine Charlie or read his medical notes. So really what was the point? And, if there were absolutely no signs of any quality of life and in perpetual pain, yes, I would have turned off the life support. I would hope every loving parent would do the same. We think differently then. As stated further up the thread, I would have wanted to try to save my son if there was even a 1% chance of success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 25, 2017 Moderators Share Posted July 25, 2017 A crusade against whom exactly? And, if there were absolutely no signs of any quality of life and in perpetual pain, yes, I would have turned off the life support. I would hope every loving parent would do the same. Spot on I dont think Charlie was being kept alive for Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 25, 2017 Members Share Posted July 25, 2017 Let's hope none of us are ever faced with such a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 25, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted July 25, 2017 A crusade against whom exactly? The case was always hopeless sadly. Hirano didn't bother to come over in January when invited by GOSH and when he did last week he didn't even bother going to examine Charlie or read his medical notes. So really what was the point? And, if there were absolutely no signs of any quality of life and in perpetual pain, yes, I would have turned off the life support. I would hope every loving parent would do the same. Not dismissing that, but his dad said in his statement yesterday that he was disappointed that the court system was so slow as this prevented earlier intervention. Was the doctor not allowed to visit until the courts said so? I genuinely don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannyroad58 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Sometimes it's better just to let go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 25, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted July 25, 2017 Spot on I dont think Charlie was being kept alive for Charlie Sorry, but I think that's grossly unfair. We don't know the full situation nor how they were feeling. They were being told that there may be treatments that might just have helped. Until such things are tried no one knows if they will definitely work. Sometimes they have to be tried then refined until they become more effective. Some cancer patients are offered trials of new therapies, one lady last night was given two years max with leukemia. A pioneering treatment has completely removed her cancer. If you had the chance to try something that might work, even at only a ten per cent chance of success, I know I'd keep a young one in pain for a while until it was tried. Don't know what was used to help the two kids described above, but at some point those methods would have been new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 25, 2017 Moderators Share Posted July 25, 2017 i did say from my first post that i was looking at it with no emotional attachment thank god all the medics are quoted as saying there was absolutely no chance of improvement and that the child was in pain it all depends whether you believe they know what they are on about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Nice to see a couple of successful outcomes on here. Unfortunately in 2004 I had to allow my first child to have his machine turned off aged just 1 day. Now I don't want any sympathy or owt but cases like this do make me think 'what if' we had said no and gave him longer. He was born unexpectedly, 10 week premature with major complications and little to no chance of surviving off life support. I must say we gave permission for that machine to be switched off but I also question to this day, 'was we mentally in the right frame of mind to make that decision?' I think my point is, the experts are in the best position to make these decisions but at the same time the parents have to live with the decision to 'allow their child to die' for the rest of their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 25, 2017 Moderators Share Posted July 25, 2017 I think my point is, the experts are in the best position to make these decisions but at the same time the parents have to live with the decision to 'allow their child to die' for the rest of their lives. in this case, they weren't asked to make a decision from your experience/comment, that is the way you would've preferred it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 in this case, they weren't asked to make a decision from your experience/comment, that is the way you would've preferred it? Possibly although it felt like we was pushed towards that decision. I think the Gard family could of made the decision themselves but opted to fight against it. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer as there's so much emotion involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 25, 2017 Moderators Share Posted July 25, 2017 fwiw, i agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted July 25, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted July 25, 2017 It's the point I was trying to make really. I was acting purely on instinct and whilst I wouldn't have admitted it at the time I was being driven completely by emotion. Luckily we din't have to make a decision to switch off any machines - I'd like to think though that if that had been the case "rational" me would have gone with the medical experts.My heart says I wouldn't. Echo the main summary - it's just a shitty shitty state of affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted July 25, 2017 Site Supporter Share Posted July 25, 2017 We were told at 6 months that my wife had miscarried our daughter. I spoke to one of the doctors as I was confused because there was still a heartbeat and the scan showed a perfectly healthy baby in there. However, we were told a huge bleed was caused by the womb wall rejecting the placenta. As a parent - even of an unborn child - your instincts kick in. I was told it was "a million to one" chance of survival and that is not something you forget. I can still remember the face of the nurse, the time, the place everything. But I just kept saying " there's a heartbeat, surely there's a chance", and I was met with pitied looks and genuine apologies. I felt foolish for pursuing it but all I can say is that an instinct to just do whatever was needed to not give up kicked in. It's a unique feeling and very strong. My daughter turns 4 next week. Sometimes, even the million to one shots come off. It's a shite situation, but I fully understand their defiance in pushing this as far as they could. wow. just wow. first time wways has actually brought a tear to my eye. well done to you and yours, spider! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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