Guest Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 7 hours ago, Casino said: Is that wanker green going to put himself up for a vote of confidence Have the courage of your convictions, resign and stand as an independent, you self serving twat And the rest of the shithouse who voted with the 48 They are even worse In your opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 28 minutes ago, gonzo said: Sampdoria Good man. Thought we needed a test in these tough times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Great kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 8 hours ago, Casino said: Is that wanker green going to put himself up for a vote of confidence Have the courage of your convictions, resign and stand as an independent, you self serving twat And the rest of the shithouse who voted with the 48 They are even worse IF you believe the outcomes of the Lord Ashcroft poll from the other day then those voting against her are representing the mainstream view of Tory voters.... As much as I agree about the ERG - the Tory voter appears to on average side with their view and not May's. If that rather extensive poll is to be believed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: IF you believe the outcomes of the Lord Ashcroft poll from the other day then those voting against her are representing the mainstream view of Tory voters.... As much as I agree about the ERG - the Tory voter appears to on average side with their view and not May's. If that rather extensive poll is to be believed. But the mainstream, the 52%, is just being ignored by those who proffer to know best. this anti-democracy movement will not be good for the country. In my view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, boltondiver said: But the mainstream, the 52%, is just being ignored by those who proffer to know best. this anti-democracy movement will not be good for the country. In my view May clinging on but going before the next election is not good. For anyone. Nicky Morgan was saying there will likely be a split in the Tory party as the differences have been irreconcilable. At least that would give voters options rather than the Tory party being currently far too diverse in its views to accurately represent their electorate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 54 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: May clinging on but going before the next election is not good. For anyone. Nicky Morgan was saying there will likely be a split in the Tory party as the differences have been irreconcilable. At least that would give voters options rather than the Tory party being currently far too diverse in its views to accurately represent their electorate. The diversity is greater within the HOC rather than the party as a whole. Which is the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, boltondiver said: The diversity is greater within the HOC rather than the party as a whole. Which is the problem. Yes - the parliamentary party is far too split and too wide apart now to really hang together. And I agree it does not represent the views of its voters (even though I disagree with them). That is a recipe for disaster in itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 The Tory party needs to become two parties. No leader could unite them now. FWIW Labour may have the same problem. The centre leaning elements from both parties should come together with the LD's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 13, 2018 Moderators Share Posted December 13, 2018 there were plenty tory activists on the radio yeterday the overwhelming majority backed may Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 13, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 13, 2018 The centre bit is happy with TM deal. No way will they go with lib Dems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 24 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: The centre bit is happy with TM deal. No way will they go with lib Dems. Looking at last year's results, if the Con vote is split 3:2, then they will lose dozens of seats to Labour. So far I've looked at constituencies beginning A or B and the total of seats lost is 13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 31 minutes ago, Casino said: there were plenty tory activists on the radio yeterday the overwhelming majority backed may On the BBC? Because I do think they have become the May propaganda arm. Whereas listening to other stations, like LBC - I've rarely heard anyone support her. As I say LA (a Tory supporter and decent pollster) doesn't seem to think the majority support her - in fact it is around 30% of Tory voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 32 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: The centre bit is happy with TM deal. No way will they go with lib Dems. I'd question that. The centre part of the Tory party are loyal out of duty and to an extent not wanting to tear their party in pieces. The idea they are "happy" with May's deal though is easily debunked when the majority of them are on record as saying they aren't happy. The May loyalists in her cabinet are even reported to be possibly planning to block her bringing the deal back to parliament with the backstop still in it. The reality is nobody in the party really "likes" the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 13, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 13, 2018 Thank FUCK we're getting out so we won't have to be part of the worlds largest Free Trade Agreement. https://www.dw.com/en/eu-parliament-approves-worlds-largest-free-trade-deal-with-japan/a-46699492 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Cheese said: Thank FUCK we're getting out so we won't have to be part of the worlds largest Free Trade Agreement. https://www.dw.com/en/eu-parliament-approves-worlds-largest-free-trade-deal-with-japan/a-46699492 Yeh but we will have blue passports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Yeh but we will have blue passports Which of course will give you the wonderful opportunity of standing in the long queues for NON EU nationals , which at the moment we by-pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, MalcolmW said: Looking at last year's results, if the Con vote is split 3:2, then they will lose dozens of seats to Labour. So far I've looked at constituencies beginning A or B and the total of seats lost is 13. Does that factor in the boundary changes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Cheese said: Thank FUCK we're getting out so we won't have to be part of the worlds largest Free Trade Agreement. https://www.dw.com/en/eu-parliament-approves-worlds-largest-free-trade-deal-with-japan/a-46699492 That’s fundamentally flawed ring a bell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Just now, boltondiver said: Does that factor in the boundary changes? Obviously not because I would need to drop to ward level. I have simply gone through the 2017 results splitting the Con vote 3:2. The full damage is 7 losses to each of LD and SNP plus 119 to Labour. Obviously other factors would come in to play, but it's a stark reminder that splitting the party has dire consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 13, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 minute ago, boltondiver said: That’s fundamentally flawed ring a bell? Spit it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, Cheese said: Spit it out. maybe its this "a specific commitment to the Paris climate agreement." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 hours ago, MalcolmW said: Looking at last year's results, if the Con vote is split 3:2, then they will lose dozens of seats to Labour. So far I've looked at constituencies beginning A or B and the total of seats lost is 13. The whole of politics could blow up here. And with it become more representative. The Labour party could split too. The point is that the Conservative party is clearly not cohesive, or united with a set of shared values and this is now incredibly apparent. When the Chancellor is calling 100 odd MPs in his own party "extremists" you cannot go on like that. Similarly the Labour party leadership is at serious odds with about 25 of its MPs. So that situation, whilst less severe, still could easily come to a head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted December 13, 2018 Moderators Share Posted December 13, 2018 The Labour Party is at odds with its own traditional support. Knocking the government at every turn isn’t a strategy to win elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySanchez Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 21 hours ago, miamiwhite said: He’s a charlatan. Simple as that. And no, I do not live in London.....I prefer to live somewhere much safer,thank you very much Most. If not all, of the knife crime is gang on gang stuff If you're an average person walking down the street you'll be fine Bit like getting scared about going round Moss Side in its 'heyday'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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