bwfcfan5 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-remainers-to-abandon-corbyn-if-he-passes-brexit-deal-6zfjgnm5w For anyone who thinks Labour should be supporting Brexit. This poll, and a few earlier ones suggest it would be electoral suicide for them to do so. Their vote is remain. They should be backing the majority of their members and voters rather than fence sitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Funny aside from a colleague; the only time time I want to see Tony Blair in the media is reading his obituary. Some other pundit disagreed, and added coverage of his war trial! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-remainers-to-abandon-corbyn-if-he-passes-brexit-deal-6zfjgnm5w For anyone who thinks Labour should be supporting Brexit. This poll, and a few earlier ones suggest it would be electoral suicide for them to do so. Their vote is remain. They should be backing the majority of their members and voters rather than fence sitting. And turn their back on the working class midlands and north? Edited December 17, 2018 by boltondiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 17, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, boltondiver said: And turn their back on the working class midlands and north? Do you honestly believe the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson are pro-Brexit because it's going to help "the working class midlands and north"? Edited December 17, 2018 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, Cheese said: Do you honestly believe the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson are pro-Brexit because it's going to help "the working class midlands and north"? I didn’t say that why do have to bend every question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 17, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, boltondiver said: I didn’t say that why do have to bend every question? Because you said people who back a second referendum are "turning their backs on the working class midlands and north"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, Cheese said: Because you said people who back a second referendum are "turning their backs on the working class midlands and north"? No He Didn't. He said labour backing remain would be betraying those in labour held areas that voted (massively) to leave. But you already knew that, and chose to ignore it, in order to deflect. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted December 17, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 17, 2018 I was asked by a Spaniard to explain Brexit over the weekend (got family that live there). TI asked what they thought had happened. And here it is: Thick, low paid, poverty stricken working class people were duped into voting to leave on the promise that loads of jobs and money would be made available to them soon after. They held to their stereotype as racist knuckledraggers who want rid of brown people and blue passports. Middle classes and above voted to stay partly out of wanting to get likes on social media and partly because they didn't want to appear working class or offend anyone. They have a sense of misplaced snobbery about their belief that they sit on a moral high ground and like to sneer at the jingoistic, fuck-thick paupers who prefer union jack tattoos to Maori ones. The Spaniards (he knows at any rate) are largely sympathetic. They don't really know how a vote there would go, and are interested to see how this pans out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 17, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 17, 2018 47 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said: He said labour backing remain would be betraying those in labour held areas that voted (massively) to leave. And I'm saying he's wrong, because that's the same as saying "The Conservatives are sticking up for the working class midlands and north by backing Leave". i.e. Utter fucking nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 17, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 17, 2018 Sadly, too few Tories are. Otherwise the mess in parliament wouldn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 You can't make this shit up... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46592394?ns_campaign=bbc_politics&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 The cheeky twat. 2 minutes ago, Traf said: You can't make this shit up... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46592394?ns_campaign=bbc_politics&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Traf said: You can't make this shit up... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46592394?ns_campaign=bbc_politics&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central Was one of Camerons choice of options "fuck of to France and live of your prime minister pension" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Cheese said: "turning their backs on the working class midlands and north"? Are there not any working class in the south then? - do they only reside in the midlands and north? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 17, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sweep said: Are there not any working class in the south then? - do they only reside in the midlands and north? Yes there are, however they're better dressed than jc so won't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 hours ago, boltondiver said: And turn their back on the working class midlands and north? The poll includes those people. Supporting Brexit would be disastrous for them. 66% of Labour voters, supported remain. And the % is going up all the time. Corbyn doesn't speak to the working man in the North regardless of Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: The poll includes those people. Supporting Brexit would be disastrous for them. 66% of Labour voters, supported remain. And the % is going up all the time. Corbyn doesn't speak to the working man in the North regardless of Brexit. Its an interesting summation. Does a MP have a duty (legal/moral or ethical) to look after his constiuents, no matter whether they voted for him or not ? 61% BTW (the % of labour MPs who represent constituencies that voted to leave). Because if you then argue that Labour should vote to remain, you can't then complain if the Tories, and by extension the government, push for leave with no second vote. Please call it now, so there canbe no confusion/ambiguity/lying afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-caller-voted-brexit-three-pin-plugs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, gonzo said: https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-caller-voted-brexit-three-pin-plugs/ Why do these whoppers phone radio stations when they know nothing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, gonzo said: https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-caller-voted-brexit-three-pin-plugs/ That’s up there with Terry (eee rrrrrrrr) Christian telling me on twitter that I wouldn’t be able to go on holiday if BREXIT happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 hours ago, boltondiver said: Funny aside from a colleague; the only time time I want to see Tony Blair in the media is reading his obituary. Some other pundit disagreed, and added coverage of his war trial! I really don’t get the hatred for Tony Blair The country came on leaps and bounds during his tenure I get Iraq, but still, take pleasure from reading someone’s obituary? Anyone taking pleasure out of reading an obituary needs to have a long look at themselves. Same for the idiots who rejoiced when Thatcher died Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 17, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 17, 2018 You're right birch, though I'm getting a tad pissed off with these ex MPs and indeed some current ones. Just wish they had the balls to admit they want to prevent brexit. Might have more respect for them if said they would refrain from involvement in the process as they don't believe in it, but wouldn't actively work to prevent it. This shite about following the will of constituents; despite the fact it was a free cross party vote on a non constituency basis. Utter drivel, fuck off the lot of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said: Corbyn doesn't speak to the working man in the North regardless of Brexit. Define 'the working man'. I know plenty of working men who are right behind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 4 hours ago, Spider said: I was asked by a Spaniard to explain Brexit over the weekend (got family that live there). TI asked what they thought had happened. And here it is: Thick, low paid, poverty stricken working class people were duped into voting to leave on the promise that loads of jobs and money would be made available to them soon after. They held to their stereotype as racist knuckledraggers who want rid of brown people and blue passports. Middle classes and above voted to stay partly out of wanting to get likes on social media and partly because they didn't want to appear working class or offend anyone. They have a sense of misplaced snobbery about their belief that they sit on a moral high ground and like to sneer at the jingoistic, fuck-thick paupers who prefer union jack tattoos to Maori ones. The Spaniards (he knows at any rate) are largely sympathetic. They don't really know how a vote there would go, and are interested to see how this pans out. Interesting that Spider. Was down in the office a few weeks ago and the Spanish sales management team were in (amongst others, for Brexit updates on stockpiling, etc) Those that were Catalan (fuck me I learned from my mistake of calling them Spanish) were definitely pro-Brexit. The others I'd say were 50:50 but agree with you that they have a massive interest in the outcome here. The most pertinent point that most of them made was that they didn't understand the lack of acceptance of the vote by so many. They simply couldn't understand how anyone could still be pushing for another vote. I gave up trying to explain why people would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 41 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Utter drivel, fuck off the lot of them. In one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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