Politics

[miamiwhite]

Shall we wager on a second referendum ?

 

I’m on the “it won’t fucking happen” side.......you won’t see that slapped on a bus

 

 

If it does, Cheese can shove a whole bunch of foreign bananas up my arse on the town hall steps

Germany has crumbled today with their ‘love letter’.............foreign correspondents confidently saying 6 or even 7 countries to follow suit once the British Visionaries are proven correct.........fishing rod not needed here, you big wet dumbos.

[jayjayoghani]

6 hours ago, Casino said:

the editor of question time is a loyal white, former poster on here and definitely more left than right

Nah, spoke to him when I was back in July, he's not editor anymore. 

Nice fella btw. 

[Salford Trotter]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46917999

I thought these countries would be queuing up to do sign trade deals? Those 'tough' times that we will have to endure post brexit just got tougher

[Mounts Kipper]

5 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46917999

I thought these countries would be queuing up to do sign trade deals? Those 'tough' times that we will have to endure post brexit just got tougher

Here he is the grim reaper. Give it a fucking rest.  I’m not talking about fox either. Nothing can be signed until we leave.

Edited January 18, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[DirtySanchez]

6 hours ago, Spider said:

Mounts, there's no hard feelings, you know that. Life's too short.

But we'll always pull one another up on stuff we don't agree with, 'tis normal.

I have a similar background to yours for what it's worth. I've never been given anything, what I have I've worked hard for. (it's very little, but still...)

The thing is, when you have worked for it, it's fucking annoying that it could be ruined by what now appears to have been a rather messy situation. If it had fucked up through normal business problems, or I'd been really shit, then fair enough But this could have been done better. On that we must, surely, agree?

Fuck me why bring your upbringing up into it? 

It's like the x factor 

Edited January 18, 2019 by DirtySanchez

[Salford Trotter]

50 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Here he is the grim reaper. Give it a fucking rest.  I’m not talking about fox either. Nothing can be signed until we leave.

haven't we signed one with Australia?

[Mounts Kipper]

 

6 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

haven't we signed one with Australia?

It’s an agreement to rollover and continue same deal as we EU have with Australia. 

Edited January 18, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Spider]

1 hour ago, DirtySanchez said:

Fuck me why bring your upbringing up into it? 

It's like the x factor 

Mounts did

 

[Mounts Kipper]

17 minutes ago, Spider said:

Mounts did

 

My fault.

[Casino]

4 hours ago, jayjayoghani said:

Nah, spoke to him when I was back in July, he's not editor anymore. 

Nice fella btw. 

Didnt know that

He is a decent lad

Obsessed with attendances and a raving lefty, but a good un

 

[Salford Trotter]

4 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

 

It’s an agreement to rollover and continue same deal as we EU have with Australia. 

So we have signed a deal you numpty. Honestly Mounts it becomes tiresome picking you up on all the gaps in your knowledge on this topic

[Mounts Kipper]

7 hours ago, Salford Trotter said:

So we have signed a deal you numpty. Honestly Mounts it becomes tiresome picking you up on all the gaps in your knowledge on this topic

What’s really tiresome is your continued negativity, you flag up an article that says  no deals are completed except this rollover deal with Australia, the article is basically a non story as there is little information as to where we are up to with  other trade deals, you post this non story seemingly to prove that your argument is correct and that we are a shitty little island off the coast of Europe who no one is interested in agreeing a trade deal with.

You are completely negative about the opportunities Brexit brings and fail to mention that any detailed negotiations are best left until we know what we can and cant do once we know and agree the terms of our exit and what our final deal will be. 

If we are out of a customs union, and outside of the ECJ and we can negotiate freely then I’m confident that the trade deals we negotiate will make your continued negativity look utterly ridiculous. 

 

 

Edited January 19, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Blondi]

Don't know whether this debate has been posted on here, but its well worthing watching.

 

[Salford Trotter]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

What’s really tiresome is your continued negativity, you flag up an article that says  no deals are completed except this rollover deal with Australia, the article is basically a non story as there is little information as to where we are up to with  other trade deals, you post this non story seemingly to prove that your argument is correct and that we are a shitty little island off the coast of Europe who no one is interested in agreeing a trade deal with.

You are completely negative about the opportunities Brexit brings and fail to mention that any detailed negotiations are best left until we know what we can and cant do once we know and agree the terms of our exit and what our final deal will be. 

If we are out of a customs union, and outside of the ECJ and we can negotiate freely then I’m confident that the trade deals we negotiate will make your continued negativity look utterly ridiculous. 

 

 

If it was that easy to sign these deals don't you think Dr Fox would be shouting from the roof tops that we have 4, 5, 6 trade negotiations on the go at this very moment knowing that as soon as we leave the EU we can get them signed up. The fact is these countries are not queuing up, in fact the reality is that they have other priorities and we are way down the list. What does it take to get you to realise that. I love my country every bit  as much as you do but where we differ is i am a realist, not consumed with this hatred of the EU so much so that it clouds your view of the world. If we leave without a deal and as it stands we have 1 trade arragement with Australia don't you think that is just a bit worrying? 

You confuse negativity with reality too many times, wake up mate and have a sniff of the coffee

Edited January 19, 2019 by Salford Trotter

[Mounts Kipper]

15 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

If it was that easy to sign these deals don't you think Dr Fox would be shouting from the roof tops that we have 4, 5, 6 trade negotiations on the go at this very moment knowing that as soon as we leave the EU we can get them signed up. The fact is these countries are not queuing up, in fact the reality is that they have other priorities and we are way down the list. What does it take to get you to realise that. I love my country every bit that you do but where we differ is i am a realist, not consumed with this hatred of the EU so much so that it clouds your view of the world. If we leave without a deal and as it stands we have 1 trade arragement with Australia don't you think that is just a bit worrying? 

You confuse negativity with reality too many times, wake up mate and have a sniff of the coffee

Way down the list? What list is this I’d be interested to hear who it comprises of.

We’re the 5th biggest economy in the world, 2 of the biggest are tied into EU (and heading for recession) rules and regulations, that leaves China, Japan and USA in front of us in terms of size, you really believe that these 3 and many others won’t be eager to do a great deal with a global leading country sat on the edge of Europe who are freed of EU regulations. 

As I see it the only bar to a bright new future is our own government and the repeated message from remainers that we are doomed without the crutch of the EU in order to frighten folk into not leaving. 

Edited January 19, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Casino]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

 

 

If we are out of a customs union, we can negotiate freely

 

 

It's not happening

You told us we will get a deal

Any deal will see us in a customs union

[Salford Trotter]

25 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Way down the list? What list is this I’d be interested to hear who it comprises of.

We’re the 5th biggest economy in the world, 2 of the biggest are tied into EU (and heading for recession) rules and regulations, that leaves China, Japan and USA in front of us in terms of size, you really believe that these 3 and many others won’t be eager to do a great deal with a global leading country sat on the edge of Europe who are freed of EU regulations. 

As I see it the only bar to a bright new future is our own government and the repeated message from remainers that we are doomed without the crutch of the EU in order to frighten folk into not leaving. 

All Japan has offered us in the way of a trade deal after Brexit is membership of the TPP a trade deal with countries that have a coastline with the Pacific ocean, including Mexico, Australia, Singapore and Vietnam.  Where are you reading that these trade deals are imminent? I am starting to think that these deals are all a figment of your imagination  

[Mounts Kipper]

9 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

All Japan has offered us in the way of a trade deal after Brexit is membership of the TPP a trade deal with countries that have a coastline with the Pacific ocean, including Mexico, Australia, Singapore and Vietnam.  Where are you reading that these trade deals are imminent? I am starting to think that these deals are all a figment of your imagination  

FFS I’ve never said any deals are imminent and that’s because I’m not privy to what’s going on, you continue to put words into my mouth.

What I have clearly said it is very likely if we properly leave the EU and can freely negotiate without EU laws and rules, then in my opinion it is extremely likely that these countries will be very keen to sign new and mutually beneficial trade deals. 

Edited January 19, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Mounts Kipper]

19 minutes ago, Casino said:

It's not happening

You told us we will get a deal

Any deal will see us in a customs union

I’d be very surprised that any deal that included the UK staying in a custom union would get through parliament. 

Edited January 19, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Salford Trotter]

18 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

FFS I’ve never said any deals are imminent and that’s because I’m not privy to what’s going on, you continue to put words into my mouth.

What I have clearly said it is very likely if we properly leave the EU and can freely negotiate without EU laws and rules, then in my opinion it is extremely likely that these countries will be very keen to sign new and mutually beneficial trade deals. 

I am not putting words in your mouth ffs. You are telling me that the worlds largest economies are ready to do trade deals and i am telling you that they are not. If you don't believe me this is what our Brexiteer International Trade Secretary said yesterday about the 40 countries that we currently have a trade deal with that he is trying to agree a continuation with post a no deal brexit. International Trade Secretary Liam Fox said he "hoped" they would but it depended on whether other countries were "willing to put the work in".

So what part of that sentence gives you the comfort that we will get the trade deals we want and quickly. If Dr Fox was remotely confident then he wouldn't be using those words like "hoped", would he? The fact is, as i have pointed out with Japan, we are not high on anyone's agenda to sign trade deals so we may be the world's 5th biggest economy but that doesn't give us a god-given right to walk into these fantastic trade deals.    

Edited January 19, 2019 by Salford Trotter

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, Salford Trotter said:

I am not putting words in your mouth ffs. You are telling me that the worlds largest economies are ready to do trade deals and i am telling you that they are not. If you don't believe me this is what our Brexiteer International Trade Secretary said yesterday about the 40 countries that we currently have a trade deal with that he is trying to agree a continuation with post a no deal brexit. International Trade Secretary Liam Fox said he "hoped" they would but it depended on whether other countries were "willing to put the work in".

So what part of that sentence gives you the comfort that we will get the trade deals we want and quickly. If Dr Fox was remotely confident then he wouldn't be using those words like "hoped", would he? The fact is, as i have pointed out with Japan, we are not high on anyone's agenda to sign trade deals so we may be the world's 5th biggest economy but that doesn't give us a god-given right to walk into these fantastic trade deals.    

I use common sense as my guide, and if we are out of the EU properly the trade deals will follow quickly. That’s my opinion and always has been, we are never going to agree and only time will tell who made the right call me or you. 

Edited January 19, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[miamiwhite]

I’ll just leave this interesting quote here with my rod.......apologies in advance to Kent for using twitter and facts

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

I’ll just leave this interesting quote here with my rod.......apologies in advance to Kent for using twitter and facts

 

 

 

 

 

 

From times when Corbyn had principles;

 

“The whole basis of the Maastricht treaty is the establishment of a European central bank which is staffed by bankers, independent of national Governments and national economic policies, and whose sole policy is the maintenance of price stability. That will undermine any social objective that any Labour Government in the United Kingdom—or any other Government—would wish to carry out … The imposition of a bankers’ Europe on the people of this continent will endanger the cause of socialism in the United Kingdom and in any other country”. House of Commons, January 13, 1993

“Will my hon. Friend [Peter Mandelson] tell us how he proposes to influence a European central bank that is composed of bankers who are appointed for eight years, who are answerable and accountable to nobody and whose policy objective has been set down? How does he propose to influence them when there is no mechanism to allow that to happen?” House of Commons, January 13, 1993

“If the principle by which the European economic policy is to be run is that capital will find the home that is most suitable to it, any social policies relating to housing, unemployment—or employment—and the environment are bound to take second place”. House of Commons, January 14, 1993

“The whole thrust of western European thinking is to reduce all immigration and visa policies to the lowest common denominator—including the more important area of refugees”. House of Commons, January 27, 1993

“Under article 100c [of the Maastricht Treaty] it is perfectly possible for EC member states to get together and decide, for example, that visa requirements should be introduced for visitors to this country from the Caribbean. That would be opposed by the British Government, who have already given a commitment not to introduce such visas, especially for people from Jamaica, but the requirement would be imposed on this country and then it would be illegal under European law for Britain to admit Jamaican visitors without a visa, even though the stated policy of the British Government was that they did not want to introduce visas”. House of Commons, January 27, 1993

[bwfcfan5]

14 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

I’ll just leave this interesting quote here with my rod.......apologies in advance to Kent for using twitter and facts

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aye when Blair was a Marxist. I'm not sure this makes the case you'd like it to. 

The most ardent Brexiteers are always those on the far left.....they are your bedfellows now!

[Traf]

Blair has been proved to be a massive lying cunt too, hasn't he?