MalcolmW Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, fatolive said: I suspect you already know the answer to that, Ireland will have 2 extra seats due to the vacancies created by UK exit being re distributed. As I said, I suspect you know and are fully aware why these will look after the interests of citizens in NI. If May points out that the Unionists may not contest these seats and that Farage as an independent could be elected Juncker will run for cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, MalcolmW said: If May points out that the Unionists may not contest these seats and that Farage as an independent could be elected Juncker will run for cover. Valid point Malc, but Juncker couldn’t run a bath as we all know. He’d need a dozen people to hold him upright.....cue the sciatica video And folk on here pay his wages and idolise him.......how thick are they ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, fatolive said: I suspect you already know the answer to that, Ireland will have 2 extra seats due to the vacancies created by UK exit being re distributed. As I said, I suspect you know and are fully aware why these will look after the interests of citizens in NI. It is only partially true as the total number of seats is being reduced to 750. So even if by some mischance the UK were to take part in the election the available seats would be reduced or the EU would break its own decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted January 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, MalcolmW said: It is only partially true as the total number of seats is being reduced to 750. So even if by some mischance the UK were to take part in the election the available seats would be reduced or the EU would break its own decision. But that’s not what you or seeked an explanation for nor what is happening. whatever the number, Ireland is getting extra due to the Re distribution its these that will represent citizens in NI , they won’t be NI or uk MEPs obviously, they will be Irish MEPs who will represent people in NI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 minute ago, fatolive said: But that’s not what you or seeked an explanation for nor what is happening. whatever the number, Ireland is getting extra due to the Re distribution its these that will represent citizens in NI , they won’t be NI or uk MEPs obviously, they will be Irish MEPs who will represent people in NI Can you explain to the editor of the Daily Mail, or a dozen other newspapers, how NI will be represented in Ireland's MEPs? If the DUP refuse to back May's next vote she could contemplate offering a centennial referendum to NI. It's worth remembering that Heath's FM at the time of entry into the EEC confided privately that the only eventual solution in Ireland would be unification. Maybe that could be framed as Corbyn's contribution to the debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted January 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, MalcolmW said: Can you explain to the editor of the Daily Mail, or a dozen other newspapers, how NI will be represented in Ireland's MEPs? If the DUP refuse to back May's next vote she could contemplate offering a centennial referendum to NI. It's worth remembering that Heath's FM at the time of entry into the EEC confided privately that the only eventual solution in Ireland would be unification. Maybe that could be framed as Corbyn's contribution to the debate. NI citizens will be represented, they are entitled to and afforded the same rights as Irish citizens under the GFA, whilst living under a different jurisdiction, therefore they are entitled and have an inherent right to EU citizenship, and so, will have representation. Not NI itself Referendum has to be passed both sides of the border, but could bring a poll closer I’ll agree. not sure it’s worth remembering that to be honest mate, loads of people have said that over the years and loads of people have said it will not be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2019 Owen Paterson and a fella from border control interviewed earlier. Both said technology currently exists that means no hard border required. The latter explaining that e-manifests currently exist and the system works well, and is capable of handling extra data. He also explained that the authorities need to know exactly what they would be required to control/monitor: a bit of a hint to the politicians perhaps, but something that renegotiation should resolve. Just need to stop the game playing and sort it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 30, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 30, 2019 If that's true, what about the movement of people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted January 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2019 Strap in folks. "Project Fear" is rapidly coming to fruition. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: It’s upto both parties to sort. I’m not an expert but I’d be open to a simple agreement to work towards a technological solution and until that Is in place a backstop is kept in place, however it does not need to be in the WA but a separate addendum that outlines both parties understanding and agreement to work towards that end rather than a legally binding agreement, so we can then move on with the agreement that May has already agreed with backstop removed. How about we sign a contract for you to deliver me some textiles. We'll put in a non-legally-binding addendum that I'll work towards paying you for the textiles at some point in the next couple of months. Deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 3 hours ago, miamiwhite said: Valid point Malc, but Juncker couldn’t run a bath as we all know. He’d need a dozen people to hold him upright.....cue the sciatica video And folk on here pay his wages and idolise him.......how thick are they ? Name one person on here who idolises him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted January 31, 2019 Members Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Ani said: Name one person on here who idolises him Bolty58. His drunken antics and oft silly comments have brightened my days and given me concrete proof that the UK needs to be away from governance by such characters. A present day hero of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 11 hours ago, Casino said: If that's true, what about the movement of people? Before we consider that, lets be clear - its not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 23 hours ago, Cheese said: Jesus Christ. I don't know why I bother replying to you because you obviously don't read my posts. I'll say it once more and hopefully it'll sink in this time: Yes, we are leaving with No Deal as that's the default position, and nothing is going to happen to change that. As I have also been saying for over a year, the blame is being shifted onto the EU, and thick fuckers all over the country will simply repeat that line - as they are already doing. Wasn’t hard was it. And are the millitary still having all leave stopped in April? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 31, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2019 12 hours ago, Casino said: If that's true, what about the movement of people? No different to now. You keep coming back to that; numerous discussions over security etc took place before the meaningful vote, and were covered in the deal. If you can be arsed, have a trawl through the 580odd pages and see what is says about this. I don't know the proposed system, and I'm not worried as there seems to have been no issues with this brought up in parliament over recent times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: No different to now. You keep coming back to that; numerous discussions over security etc took place before the meaningful vote, and were covered in the deal. If you can be arsed, have a trawl through the 580odd pages and see what is says about this. I don't know the proposed system, and I'm not worried as there seems to have been no issues with this brought up in parliament over recent times. There is no technology currently operational that can manage the border in the way the fantasists pretend. Outlined here: https://theconversation.com/can-technology-and-max-fac-solve-the-irish-border-question-expert-explains-96735 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: There is no technology currently operational that can manage the border in the way the fantasists pretend. Outlined here: https://theconversation.com/can-technology-and-max-fac-solve-the-irish-border-question-expert-explains-96735 And there’s no border ever going to go back up whatever happens. It’s best an agreement was negotiated don’t you think? Edited January 31, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 22 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: And there’s no border ever going to go back up whatever happens. It’s best an agreement was negotiated don’t you think? I agree. But the EU aren't going to agree to something that leaves them in breach of WTO rules are they? That would be unreasonable. And we need to avoid customs checks on the Irish border. So somehow there has to be compromise on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: I agree. But the EU aren't going to agree to something that leaves them in breach of WTO rules are they? That would be unreasonable. And we need to avoid customs checks on the Irish border. So somehow there has to be compromise on that. If we do leave with No Deal then the EU will put the ROI under pressure to have some sort of check at the border as it is EU law to have. How that manifests itself and over what time period is anyones guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted January 31, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2019 That’s the issue: the backstop ensures that there won’t be a hard border , the border is easily solvable apparently but people who say this don’t want a backstop in case it isn’t the eu want a backstop to ensure no border and say the backstop is not negotiable to prevent a hard border ,but will need to implement one if no deal is made anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted January 31, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2019 29 minutes ago, fatolive said: That’s the issue: the backstop ensures that there won’t be a hard border , the border is easily solvable apparently but people who say this don’t want a backstop in case it isn’t the eu want a backstop to ensure no border and say the backstop is not negotiable to prevent a hard border ,but will need to implement one if no deal is made anyway. Glad someone else has pointed this out. The very same people who say the Irish border issue is a red herring and easily solvable also argue that the 'backstop' is unacceptable. The backstop disappears when you solve the border issue, so whats the fucking problem? It's all irrelevant anyway, but just highlights once again the dishonesty of those who want Brexit the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 43 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: If we do leave with No Deal then the EU will put the ROI under pressure to have some sort of check at the border as it is EU law to have. How that manifests itself and over what time period is anyones guess It isn't EU law only. If we leave with no deal we are a 3rd party to the EU and therefore trade on WTO terms. They cannot offer preferential border arrangements with us in Ireland compared to anyone else. So the border would have to be managed in the same way as they manage borders with other non members with no agreement. Or they face potential international legal challenge. We would of course be in the same boat. It is a real problem and cannot just be wished away. There has to be some arrangement for the event that an FTA isn't agreed by the end of transition. And it has to be robust and legally binding to protect both sides. The backstop is bad because potentially the EU could use it to lock us in and force our hand in an FTA negotiation. BUT there have been other offers from the EU (such as a NI only CU backstop) that we outright rejected. So it is up to US to find a mutually agreeable solution but as yet our side have been very short of ideas. Lots of bluster, no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted January 31, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 hours ago, royal white said: Wasn’t hard was it. And are the millitary still having all leave stopped in April? No, it wasn't hard. I answered you several times, but you just kept repeating the question anyway. As for the military, you will see over the next few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, Cheese said: No, it wasn't hard. I answered you several times, but you just kept repeating the question anyway. As for the military, you will see over the next few weeks. Agghh so we will see will we, this is obviously an official cheese announcement and not been announced by the government/military etc. That’s cute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Nothing about leave being cancelled but the military is about to start special training in preparation for no deal according to the wireless this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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