Moon boy Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 2 hours ago, mickbrown said: Boris and his mates didn’t have a clue where this was going when they stood next to that bus. That’s the point Tusk is making. And it’s a valid one. How pointing out to voters that 50 days from the day we leave, the blokes who led us down this path still don’t have a fucking clue how this will pan out strengthens leave voters resolve is beyond me if I’m honest. It’s simple, we had a binary vote in or out, nobody Boris,Cameron or the EU had a fucking clue how to achieve it, but that shouldn’t stop it happening. If the present group of intelligent (sic) politicians can’t find a way through this impasse then they should move over and let someone else have a go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 7, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 7, 2019 Exactly. That's why there's a two year period to sort a withdrawal agreement. An agreement for the benefit of both. At the beginning of all this it was commonly accepted that the last thing anyone should do was reveal everything they wanted. So no one really knows fully what plans or otherwise anyone had. Just another meaningless statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, MalcolmW said: It was the EU who insisted that elections to the EU parliament could no longer be first past the post* and had to be some form of proportional representation. This in turn gave Farage a foothold in the first place, which EU performance over the next 15 years led to his UKIP becoming the major party in the UK's representation. Although Farage was (rightly) cut out from a front-line position in the referendum campaign this gave a momentum to the leave vote. This whole leaving process has proved that the surreptitious progression of the EU towards being a federal super-state was far more advanced than most people realised. * Apart from, erm, Belgium! Sorry to outdo you in facts Malcolm aka Suzy Dent......27 years ago today, this was signed....the founding treaty of the failing EU It was clear even then what their ultimate aims were..... The plenipotentiaries want fucking for signing The Maastricht Treaty https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht_Treaty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: Neither did Tusk or the EU as no one has left. Seems the EU have a set of rules to keep you tied in yet have not thought out the process when you leave, other than triggering article 50. You can check any time you like, but Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Sorry to outdo you in facts Malcolm aka Suzy Dent......27 years ago today, this was signed....the founding treaty of the failing EU It was clear even then what their ultimate aims were..... The plenipotentiaries want fucking for signing The Maastricht Treaty https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht_Treaty Plenipotentiaries? new one on me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted February 7, 2019 Moderators Share Posted February 7, 2019 Should have read the Wikipedia page on Maastrict, as that's the level we are at, Wikipolitics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Is this cheese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, royal white said: Is this cheese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Neither did Tusk or the EU as no one has left. Seems the EU have a set of rules to keep you tied in yet have not thought out the process when you leave, other than triggering article 50. So you are saying we triggered article 50 but could have no idea what the impact of that would be ? And you proudly voted to lead us into the abyss ? Edited February 7, 2019 by Ani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Plenipotentiaries? new one on me Thank you G. Don’t tell the toffee nosed patronising lefty twats but this humble Northern roofa had a decent headikayshun I holiday in Barbados and Riquewihr several times a year,unlike who those Hi-de-Hi Hipsters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, royal white said: Is this cheese? No mate.....Cheese is a Tesco wearing trainers cunt...full stop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 7, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 7, 2019 This bit lower down made me chuckle. Some cracking terms too: a stamped bat of a Mott. Quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Ani said: So you are saying we triggered article 50 but could have no idea what the impact of that would be ? And you proudly voted to lead us into the abyss ? The same argument could be said about the time we went into the EU. I voted on the basis that I wanted us to leave the EU and not on how we would negotiate to leave. This Abyss is a figment of imagination by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 Look at the 2nd pic down....a combo of Cheese and fannyfingers5 losing their rag because they’re losers https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47152035 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 All very friendly in Europe. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47161500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: The same argument could be said about the time we went into the EU. I voted on the basis that I wanted us to leave the EU and not on how we would negotiate to leave. This Abyss is a figment of imagination by the way. i was not old enough to vote about going in but that seemed to go smoothly. You said there was no process to leave but you still voted for it. Definition of the phrase abyss when used figuratively as here - Making a momentous life decision with great uncertainty, I think we can agree 'momentous life decision' and 'great uncertainty' as there is no process to say what happens next. Edited February 7, 2019 by Ani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Exactly. That's why there's a two year period to sort a withdrawal agreement. An agreement for the benefit of both. At the beginning of all this it was commonly accepted that the last thing anyone should do was reveal everything they wanted. So no one really knows fully what plans or otherwise anyone had. Just another meaningless statement. You mean a 2 year transition period to agree a trade deal? We have had almost 3 years to sort out the WA and we are still no there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: All very friendly in Europe. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47161500 France is totally fucked now isn’t it mate ? Calls for Frexit amidst the unrest.....hasn’t Macron done a fantastic job in dividing such a beautiful country ? Is he popularity rating down to fuck all now Edited February 7, 2019 by miamiwhite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 7, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 7, 2019 24 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: You mean a 2 year transition period to agree a trade deal? We have had almost 3 years to sort out the WA and we are still no there No I mean the two year period that article fifty gives for the creation of a withdrawal agreement. Whether it's agreed yet is immaterial to the point being discussed: that plans etc couldn't be wholly in place prior to the discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 7, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 7, 2019 Just read a great idea: Dr Victoria Bateman as the next Dr Who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Ladies and gentlemen I introduce you to my uncle - Bob Battersby - a former MEP Growing up I remember how anti-EEC my dad was and how he would row with my uncle about the creation of a federal republic. If WWays had been around then he would have been the miamiwhite of the forum He used to rail against my uncle for becoming an MEP and helping promote a European Parliament. Although my memories are sketchy, my Uncle Bob was massively anti-Soviet and could only see that the creation of the EU was the way to protect against the Kremlin. Even in those days though, he became MEP for Humberside because he saw very early how the EEC could potentially decimate our fishing industry My current views on the EU are partially based on the flawed introduction of the EEC and the views of my dad and my uncle https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1409786/Bob-Battersby.html For those of a certain age and with an interest in political history, you may note where my uncle was at certain times as mentioned in his obituary. And why, during the late 50’s a black Zill limousine would be parked near my mum and dads house and follow them when they’d been to my uncle’s house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 7, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) What a bloke! Absolutely fascinating that. Couldn't make stuff like that up! Would have made a cracking racenteur over a beer in the pub. Edited February 7, 2019 by Tonge moor green jacket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted February 7, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, MancWanderer said: Ladies and gentlemen I introduce you to my uncle - Bob Battersby - a former MEP Growing up I remember how anti-EEC my dad was and how he would row with my uncle about the creation of a federal republic. If WWays had been around then he would have been the miamiwhite of the forum He used to rail against my uncle for becoming an MEP and helping promote a European Parliament. Although my memories are sketchy, my Uncle Bob was massively anti-Soviet and could only see that the creation of the EU was the way to protect against the Kremlin. Even in those days though, he became MEP for Humberside because he saw very early how the EEC could potentially decimate our fishing industry My current views on the EU are partially based on the flawed introduction of the EEC and the views of my dad and my uncle https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1409786/Bob-Battersby.html For those of a certain age and with an interest in political history, you may note where my uncle was at certain times as mentioned in his obituary. And why, during the late 50’s a black Zill limousine would be parked near my mum and dads house and follow them when they’d been to my uncle’s house Fascinating stuff and crammed a fair old amount of stuff into his life. Certainly experienced a lot and contributed a lot, fair play to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 24 minutes ago, MancWanderer said: Ladies and gentlemen I introduce you to my uncle - Bob Battersby - a former MEP Growing up I remember how anti-EEC my dad was and how he would row with my uncle about the creation of a federal republic. If WWays had been around then he would have been the miamiwhite of the forum He used to rail against my uncle for becoming an MEP and helping promote a European Parliament. Although my memories are sketchy, my Uncle Bob was massively anti-Soviet and could only see that the creation of the EU was the way to protect against the Kremlin. Even in those days though, he became MEP for Humberside because he saw very early how the EEC could potentially decimate our fishing industry My current views on the EU are partially based on the flawed introduction of the EEC and the views of my dad and my uncle https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1409786/Bob-Battersby.html For those of a certain age and with an interest in political history, you may note where my uncle was at certain times as mentioned in his obituary. And why, during the late 50’s a black Zill limousine would be parked near my mum and dads house and follow them when they’d been to my uncle’s house What a great story, had me glued to the screen reading that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 27 minutes ago, MancWanderer said: Ladies and gentlemen I introduce you to my uncle - Bob Battersby - a former MEP Growing up I remember how anti-EEC my dad was and how he would row with my uncle about the creation of a federal republic. If WWays had been around then he would have been the miamiwhite of the forum He used to rail against my uncle for becoming an MEP and helping promote a European Parliament. Although my memories are sketchy, my Uncle Bob was massively anti-Soviet and could only see that the creation of the EU was the way to protect against the Kremlin. Even in those days though, he became MEP for Humberside because he saw very early how the EEC could potentially decimate our fishing industry My current views on the EU are partially based on the flawed introduction of the EEC and the views of my dad and my uncle https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1409786/Bob-Battersby.html For those of a certain age and with an interest in political history, you may note where my uncle was at certain times as mentioned in his obituary. And why, during the late 50’s a black Zill limousine would be parked near my mum and dads house and follow them when they’d been to my uncle’s house Great story A...your dad seemed a sound chap And so did your Uncle Bob.....great read mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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