bwfcfan5 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, boltondiver said: The loonies like me? I’m not calling anyone a loony. I’m simply saying that the lie that there is a magic way to solve the Irish border is a complete lie. The backstop is a legal requirement! We recognised this in discussions. We asked the EU to ensure any deal honoured the GFA. They did this and we didn’t like their solution. So we offered an alternative that the EU liked less but eventually agreed to. That was a negotiation. The fact that since then Brexiteer politicians have blathered on about there being an easy solution whilst at the same time maintaining we’d be in the backstop because there is no solution in the transition period...it just says everything that needs to be said. IF there is an easy way to have no regulatory alignment on the border whilst simultaneously not checking goods and complying with international trading law then sign the WA and implement that method and in December 2020 there is no backstop. End of. Until the fact that there currently is no solution viable to manage that border and comply with those international treaties and laws is understood by everyone.....and the MPs stop telling blatant untruths about solutions that they then cannot detail we will forever be stuck here. Edited March 22, 2019 by bwfcfan5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted March 22, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 22, 2019 32 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: I’m not calling anyone a loony. I’m simply saying that the lie that there is a magic way to solve the Irish border is a complete lie. The backstop is a legal requirement! We recognised this in discussions. We asked the EU to ensure any deal honoured the GFA. They did this and we didn’t like their solution. So we offered an alternative that the EU liked less but eventually agreed to. That was a negotiation. The fact that since then Brexiteer politicians have blathered on about their being an easy solution whilst at the same time maintaining we’d be in the backstop because there is no solution in the transition period...it just says everything that needs to be said. IF there is an easy way to have no regulatory alignment on the border whilst simultaneously not checking goods and complying with international trading law then sign the WA and implement that method and in December 2020 there is no backstop. End of. Until the fact that there currently is no solution viable to manage that border and comply with those international treaties and laws is understood by everyone.....and the MPs stop telling blatant untruths about solutions that they then cannot detail we will forever be stuck here. You are wasting your time mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 59 minutes ago, boltondiver said: ah, I see I don't think you do, you're too blinkered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 Regarding the hard border in Ireland. Here’s a pic of one part of the border in 1990...eight years before the Good Friday Agreement. https://mikeabrahams.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Republicans/G0000EYmxKrT_LtY/I0000MX_puHmi9Mw/C0000miESlAh5Pmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonk Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Regarding the hard border in Ireland. Here’s a pic of one part of the border in 1990...eight years before the Good Friday Agreement. https://mikeabrahams.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Republicans/G0000EYmxKrT_LtY/I0000MX_puHmi9Mw/C0000miESlAh5Pmo When both countries were in the EU.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gonk said: When both countries were in the EU.. I never said any different mate, purely showing a pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Salford Trotter said: You do realise how long these trade deals take to negotiate? Dr Fox has only signed a handful of the 40 continuity deals in 2.5 years and that was only taking the current EU trade deal and mirroring those with the UK. So if we do leave without a deal we will be on WTO terms for several years notwithstanding the lack of preparation our businesses have done to cope with No Deal. Jobs will be lost of that there is no doubt... Tough shit i suppose as you keep on reminding us We can continue to trade with EU for up to 10 years under GATT rules. Think that might be long enough to sort out a new trade arrangement. Edited March 22, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 28 minutes ago, Sweep said: I don't think you do, you're too blinkered Good point, we’ll made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said: The EU have given us exactly the deal we asked for. If you want to stop freedom of movement and prevent regulatory alignment either side of a border then you either need checks on that border or some sort of agreement to ensure there is no need for checks without infringing international trading laws. We asked for this deal. It’s absolutely nothing to do with there being no negotiation. It’s simply fundamentally the only deal left available to satisfy the good friday agreement and the EUs need to protect their internal market and comply with international law. They offered us another way of doing it but we rejected that and asked for this one instead. Dont believe the lies from the right wing media who have misled our population. This is not intransigence. This is simply all that is left, unless WE change what we are asking for. ‘The EU have given us exactly the deal we asked for’ you’re good at using the ‘royal we’, if it’s the deal ‘we’ asked for why does nobody want it? ‘We’ kept saying ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’ but ‘we ‘ can’t have ‘no deal’ now, thanks to the undemocratic elite in Parliament Your last paragraph ‘don’t believe the lies of the right wing media’, fuck me, you sound like Derick Hatton circa 1983, do you really think people can’t look at news and information from numerous sources and form an opinion that’s has valid as yours, perhaps you could advise us how you get your informative view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Seems like the liars who wanted a 2nd referendum have now now decided to tell the truth and demand revocation of A50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: We can continue to trade with EU for up to 10 years under GATT rules. Think that might be long enough to sort out a new trade arrangement. WTO replaced GATT in 1995 The World Trade Organization (WTO) is an intergovernmental organization that regulates international trade. The WTO officially commenced on 1 January 1995, signed by 123 nations on 15 April 1994, replacing the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), which commenced in the year 1948. “Article 24 of the World Trade Organisation treaty allows us to continue to trade with Europe on zero tariffs while we negotiate a free trade arrangement.” Statements like this keep returning to the political debate: in the media, among constituents and in Parliament. However, trade law experts have repeatedly and authoritatively dismissed the view that the relevant rule – General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) Article XXIV – offers an easy solution to UK trade with the EU in the case of ‘no-deal’. Edited March 22, 2019 by Salford Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: WTO replaced GATT in 1995 The World Trade Organization (WTO) is an intergovernmental organization that regulates international trade. The WTO officially commenced on 1 January 1995, signed by 123 nations on 15 April 1994, replacing the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), which commenced in the year 1948. I know it did, is it correct that we can trade for upto 10 years as we do now while an agreement is sought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I know it did, is it correct that we can trade for upto 10 years as we do now while an agreement is sought? I have posted an edit... Trade law experts don't believe we can trade as you point out. Where is your source? Edited March 22, 2019 by Salford Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: I have posted an edit... Trade law experts don't believe we can trade as you point out. Where is your source? https://prismdailynews.co.uk/2019/01/23/exclusive-wto-trade-expert-confirms-uk-eu-can-trade-on-existing-terms-in-no-deal-brexit/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: https://prismdailynews.co.uk/2019/01/23/exclusive-wto-trade-expert-confirms-uk-eu-can-trade-on-existing-terms-in-no-deal-brexit/ So if this correct then i suggest you call Donald Tusk and the 27 EU nations to tell them that they have got it all wrong and we don't go WTO until 2029. Those EU and UK lawyers are not worth a penny in fees, how did we all miss this???????? Mounts is our saviour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Moon boy said: ‘The EU have given us exactly the deal we asked for’ you’re good at using the ‘royal we’, if it’s the deal ‘we’ asked for why does nobody want it? ‘We’ kept saying ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’ but ‘we ‘ can’t have ‘no deal’ now, thanks to the undemocratic elite in Parliament Your last paragraph ‘don’t believe the lies of the right wing media’, fuck me, you sound like Derick Hatton circa 1983, do you really think people can’t look at news and information from numerous sources and form an opinion that’s has valid as yours, perhaps you could advise us how you get your informative view Clearly they’ve managed to massively mislead you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Clearly they’ve managed to massively mislead you! But not you eh, no flies on you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: So if this correct then i suggest you call Donald Tusk and the 27 EU nations to tell them that they have got it all wrong and we don't go WTO until 2029. Those EU and UK lawyers are not worth a penny in fees, how did we all miss this???????? Mounts is our saviour Pissed on your bonfire of negativity though. 😂 Edited March 22, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Pissed on your bonfire of negativity though. 😂 Always happy to be proved wrong mate.. What did Donald say? I bet he wasn't happy with your news Edited March 22, 2019 by Salford Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, Salford Trotter said: Always happy to be proved wrong mate.. What did Donald say? Said Salford Trotters a nob. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: Said Salford Trotters a nob. 😂 https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OGC.994306c9b4ccc064b4b9276c329e0520&pid=Api&rurl=https%3a%2f%2fmedia.giphy.com%2fmedia%2f6J9EYB2Z27Qg8%2fgiphy.gif&ehk=%2fs3ySoh1OKUCig7yoPZ8hA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just catching up from my question last night re what will the remainers do when we leave. Fair play to the tiny minority who replied.... Still waiting for the incessant posters to reply......come on you,soft twats... we’re all mates....show your colours.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Just catching up from my question last night re what will the remainers do when we leave. Fair play to the tiny minority who replied.... Still waiting for the incessant posters to reply......come on you,soft twats... we’re all mates....show your colours.. You’re probably on ignore. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: You’re probably on ignore. 😂 Without doubt mate.....they don’t like it up em do they ? No noubt NiC will reply in his own inimitable patronising way after 27 glasses of EU sparkling water..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted March 22, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: https://prismdailynews.co.uk/2019/01/23/exclusive-wto-trade-expert-confirms-uk-eu-can-trade-on-existing-terms-in-no-deal-brexit/ Hahahahahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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