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58 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

He was doing well enough for TM until he was shafted. Wouldn't have been appointed if he was so incapable. Perhaps he was pushing harder than she and her team wanted?

He wasn't flirted remember, chose to go because he couldn't support the direction of travel.

That's now the job of whoever gets in, to adopt a stronger approach. If that means rattling MPs in the hoc too, then so be it.

It's funny how you remainers have such inside knowledge of the performance (or lack of) of those ministers and MPs who want brexit.

and it's funny how you know the detail behind his departure and how he was as a negotiator, maybe he wasn't up to the job and he left before he was flirted? The fact is we are both making up what we believe is the real story, will we ever find out what we really happened? Probably not

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1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

He wasn't flirted remember, chose to go because he couldn't support the direction of travel.

Raab voted in favour of May's Withdrawal Agreement... 

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3 hours ago, darwen_white said:

Yes, that's my point.

 It's been proven, time and time again to be wrong.

Wrong? Not often. Completely accurate? No.

There have been lots of polls all saying the same thing. Including an internal Labour one. 60-70% of Labour voters in 2017 were remain voters. 

The demographics have shifted. Bulk of Labour vote want to remain. Like bulk of Tory vote wants to leave. Labour need to support clearly a second referendum or risk losing a lot of their vote. And yes they risk losing some Northern traditional voters in doing so. Just like the Tories risk losing the 30% of their vote that wants to remain.  But it makes sense to go with the bulk of your voters doesn’t it?

 

 

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2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Wrong? Not often. Completely accurate? No.

There have been lots of polls all saying the same thing. Including an internal Labour one. 60-70% of Labour voters in 2017 were remain voters. 

The demographics have shifted. Bulk of Labour vote want to remain. Like bulk of Tory vote wants to leave. Labour need to support clearly a second referendum or risk losing a lot of their vote. And yes they risk losing some Northern traditional voters in doing so. Just like the Tories risk losing the 30% of their vote that wants to remain.  But it makes sense to go with the bulk of your voters doesn’t it?

 

 

So if the majority voted a particular way, they should then honour that ?

Asking for a friend.

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6 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

So if the majority voted a particular way, they should then honour that ?

Asking for a friend.

Good point; don’t expect a straight yes ir no, mind

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4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Even JRM voted for the deal in the end iirc. Doesn't mean he liked it.

Many, including Chris Green, voted for it as Theresa said she would leave when it was passed.

Obviously ignored by ignorami

Is it ignorami or ignoramases?

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1 minute ago, ZiggyStardust said:

At the last election, 100% of Labour voters voted for a party committed to honouring the referendum result.

Which kind of overules any polls, No ?

Weasel words to follow......

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22 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

At the last election, 100% of Labour voters voted for a party committed to honouring the referendum result.

Which kind of overules any polls, No ?

Wrong. I voted tactically as the best alternative to Tories was labour in my constituency. A GE is about far more than one policy.

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Just now, Salford Trotter said:

So you have to agree with 100% of what a party puts in it's manifesto in order to vote for it? 

Pretty much.

So therefore as Labour won 40% of the vote in 17 on a leave ticket, its a long jump to assume that they need to go remain to satisfy their voters and members.

Maybe 80% do want to remain, but don't care enough to not vote for a leave party ?

who knows, certainly not the pollsters if recent events are evidence.

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1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

Wrong. I voted tactically as the best alternative to Tories was labour in my constituency. A GE is about far more than one policy.

Which proves my point, leave/remain wasn't the deciding point, and you was happy to vote for a prty commited to leave.

So why are certain activists insisting they change policy ?

You, yourself, are the perfect example as to why Fan5 is wrong.

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