Salford Trotter Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: He was doing well enough for TM until he was shafted. Wouldn't have been appointed if he was so incapable. Perhaps he was pushing harder than she and her team wanted? He wasn't flirted remember, chose to go because he couldn't support the direction of travel. That's now the job of whoever gets in, to adopt a stronger approach. If that means rattling MPs in the hoc too, then so be it. It's funny how you remainers have such inside knowledge of the performance (or lack of) of those ministers and MPs who want brexit. and it's funny how you know the detail behind his departure and how he was as a negotiator, maybe he wasn't up to the job and he left before he was flirted? The fact is we are both making up what we believe is the real story, will we ever find out what we really happened? Probably not Edited June 18, 2019 by Salford Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted June 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: He wasn't flirted remember, chose to go because he couldn't support the direction of travel. Raab voted in favour of May's Withdrawal Agreement... Edited June 18, 2019 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, Cheese said: Raab voted in favour of May's Withdrawal Agreement... Why did he do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 Snippet of Raab in action against a truly privileged EU lovechild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Why did he do that? No response Sigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted June 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, boltondiver said: No response Sigh Apologies for not responding within your 1 hour time limit. I don't know. Why do YOU think he did that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, Cheese said: Apologies for not responding within your 1 hour time limit. I don't know. Why do YOU think he did that? Read what he said https://m.facebook.com/DominicRaabMP/posts/782054498839658 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 hours ago, darwen_white said: Yes, that's my point. It's been proven, time and time again to be wrong. Wrong? Not often. Completely accurate? No. There have been lots of polls all saying the same thing. Including an internal Labour one. 60-70% of Labour voters in 2017 were remain voters. The demographics have shifted. Bulk of Labour vote want to remain. Like bulk of Tory vote wants to leave. Labour need to support clearly a second referendum or risk losing a lot of their vote. And yes they risk losing some Northern traditional voters in doing so. Just like the Tories risk losing the 30% of their vote that wants to remain. But it makes sense to go with the bulk of your voters doesn’t it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Wrong? Not often. Completely accurate? No. There have been lots of polls all saying the same thing. Including an internal Labour one. 60-70% of Labour voters in 2017 were remain voters. The demographics have shifted. Bulk of Labour vote want to remain. Like bulk of Tory vote wants to leave. Labour need to support clearly a second referendum or risk losing a lot of their vote. And yes they risk losing some Northern traditional voters in doing so. Just like the Tories risk losing the 30% of their vote that wants to remain. But it makes sense to go with the bulk of your voters doesn’t it? So if the majority voted a particular way, they should then honour that ? Asking for a friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said: So if the majority voted a particular way, they should then honour that ? Asking for a friend. Good point; don’t expect a straight yes ir no, mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, boltondiver said: Read what he said https://m.facebook.com/DominicRaabMP/posts/782054498839658 Even JRM voted for the deal in the end iirc. Doesn't mean he liked it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Even JRM voted for the deal in the end iirc. Doesn't mean he liked it. Many, including Chris Green, voted for it as Theresa said she would leave when it was passed. Obviously ignored by ignorami Is it ignorami or ignoramases? Edited June 18, 2019 by boltondiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted June 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2019 Boris has just stated GATT24!!!! What a fucking plum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, ZiggyStardust said: So if the majority voted a particular way, they should then honour that ? Asking for a friend. Who? A political party represents its voters and members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Boris has just stated GATT24!!!! What a fucking plum! Followed by a "whatever". None of them will directly answer Stewart's question, but can't without the ultimate sanction of proroguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 An interesting read, but you’ll need 15 minutes https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/ivan-rogers-no-deal-is-now-the-most-likely-outcome/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted June 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Boris has just stated GATT24!!!! What a fucking plum! Did anyone pull him up on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Who? A political party represents its voters and members. I did say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Who? A political party represents its voters and members. At the last election, 100% of Labour voters voted for a party committed to honouring the referendum result. Which kind of overules any polls, No ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 minute ago, ZiggyStardust said: At the last election, 100% of Labour voters voted for a party committed to honouring the referendum result. Which kind of overules any polls, No ? Weasel words to follow...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Weasel words to follow...... They didn't know what they were voting for ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said: At the last election, 100% of Labour voters voted for a party committed to honouring the referendum result. Which kind of overules any polls, No ? So you have to agree with 100% of what a party puts in it's manifesto in order to vote for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said: At the last election, 100% of Labour voters voted for a party committed to honouring the referendum result. Which kind of overules any polls, No ? Wrong. I voted tactically as the best alternative to Tories was labour in my constituency. A GE is about far more than one policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Just now, Salford Trotter said: So you have to agree with 100% of what a party puts in it's manifesto in order to vote for it? Pretty much. So therefore as Labour won 40% of the vote in 17 on a leave ticket, its a long jump to assume that they need to go remain to satisfy their voters and members. Maybe 80% do want to remain, but don't care enough to not vote for a leave party ? who knows, certainly not the pollsters if recent events are evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Farrelli said: Wrong. I voted tactically as the best alternative to Tories was labour in my constituency. A GE is about far more than one policy. Which proves my point, leave/remain wasn't the deciding point, and you was happy to vote for a prty commited to leave. So why are certain activists insisting they change policy ? You, yourself, are the perfect example as to why Fan5 is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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