Salford Trotter Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’m sure you’ll agree we get a deal, leave and keep the money would be the correct and sane course of action. If we leave with a WA then that's better of course but we will still have a FTA to negotiate then which will be tougher than the WA to agree. Nothing is as straightforward as you suggest sadly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: If we leave with a WA then that's better of course but we will still have a FTA to negotiate then which will be tougher than the WA to agree. Nothing is as straightforward as you suggest sadly Does not need to be easy, just needs to be negotiated by folk who want us to leave and who let the EU know we will be leaving whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) On 05/07/2019 at 13:36, Mounts Kipper said: I’ll take that figure and even if that turns out to be close to what actually happens that’s a 0.63% reduction every year for 15 years, hardly cataclysmic as cheese and remainers predict. 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: A good article about what a billion can buy. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32309311 my favourite being 167,000 hip replacements as I need one. 😂 Seriously though 2.4 billion would pay for over 50,000 nurses, 25,000 doctors, 4 flagship hospitals. It’s utterly ridiculous pissing it into the EU black hole. So you’re saying that 2.4bn (0.1% GDP) is a ridiculous amount to be pissing away and would pay for 50,000 nurses, 25,000 doctors and 4 flagship hospitals. We should not be doing it. Yet, in your opinion just two weeks ago, throwing away over six times that amount every year for a decade is “hardly cataclysmic” and you’d take that. Give your head a shake, as it’s yet another about turn from you. You are so far entrenched in your anti-EU beliefs that you can’t even agree with yourself. Edited July 21, 2019 by Jol_BWFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said: So you’re saying that 2.4bn (0.1% GDP) is a ridiculous amount to be pissing away and would pay for 50,000 nurses, 25,000 doctors and 4 flagship hospitals. We should not be doing it. Yet, in your opinion just two weeks ago, throwing away over six times that amount every year for a decade is “hardly cataclysmic” and you’d take that. Give your head a shake, as it’s yet another about turn from you. You are so far entrenched in your anti-EU beliefs that you can’t even agree with yourself. Some call it being brainwashed in anti EU rhetoric that they can't see the damage leaving will do. It's now leaving at any cost for some, tough shit as Mounts keeps on reminding us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said: So you’re saying that 2.4bn (0.1% GDP) is a ridiculous amount to be pissing away and would pay for 50,000 nurses, 25,000 doctors and 4 flagship hospitals. We should not be doing it. Yet, in your opinion just two weeks ago, throwing away over six times that amount every year for a decade is “hardly cataclysmic” and you’d take that. Give your head a shake, as it’s yet another about turn from you. You are so far entrenched in your anti-EU beliefs that you can’t even agree with yourself. You believe project fear, I don’t, I believe we will get a deal that will ensure no reduction in GDP, the fact is the EU are taking our hard earned money NOW In ever increasing amounts to share with other countries who don’t contribute, while I believe that money would be better used on our country and our people, you should hang your head in shame. Edited July 21, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: Some call it being brainwashed in anti EU rhetoric that they can't see the damage leaving will do. It's now leaving at any cost for some, tough shit as Mounts keeps on reminding us When did I last say tough shit? If ever. Stop talking shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: You believe project fear, I don’t, I believe we will get a deal that will ensure no reduction in GDP, the fact is the EU are taking our hard earned money NOW I ever increasing amounts to share with other countries who don’t contribute, while I believe that money would be better used on our country and our people, you should hang your head in shame. Go on then, I’ll play. Why should I hang my head in shame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: When did I last say tough shit? If ever. Stop talking shit. Doesn't matter when you last said it, that was you sticking two fingers up to those who would suffer as a result of Brexit Edited July 21, 2019 by Salford Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: Doesn't matter when you last said it, that was you sticking two fingers up to those who would suffer as a result of Brexit As I can’t remember saying it, just checked and I didn’t, not like you to make stuff up to suit your pro remain agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: As I can’t remember saying it, just checked and I didn’t, not like you to make stuff up to suit your pro remain agenda. I think it was Bolty who said it wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Sweep said: I think it was Bolty who said it wasn't it? Pretty sure it came from when Spider said he was worried about potential job losses at his place and Mounts basically said you can't have an omelette without breaking some eggs. Might be wrong mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, Sweep said: I think it was Bolty who said it wasn't it? I am sure he said it to Spider but if am wrong i will apologise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 On 31/08/2018 at 02:09, bolty58 said: Hard fact of life. There will be casualties - inevitable. There will be bonuses too although there will be a time lag before the full benefit is felt. All I can say is tough shit if you are a casualty. When the cotton trade faltered, Bolton reinvented itself as a centre of engineering excellence. Those who suffer because of Brexit will have to be part of a reinvention of some sort. EIther that or curl up and die. It's a harsh world. Short term pain for long term gain. 15 minutes ago, Sweep said: I think it was Bolty who said it wasn't it? Indeed, in response to Spider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: As I can’t remember saying it, just checked and I didn’t, not like you to make stuff up to suit your pro remain agenda. I apologise, it was that tosser down under Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 21, 2019 Moderators Share Posted July 21, 2019 Possibly a typo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Either that or a bet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said: Go on then, I’ll play. Why should I hang my head in shame? Because we’re paying money into a black hole to prop up project federal Europe, when that money could be used for example employing 50,000 nurses. And that’s despite the people of the U.K. voting to leave the project. Edited July 21, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Because we’re paying money into a black hole to prop up project federal Europe, when that money could be used for example employing 50,000 nurses. And that’s despite the people of the U.K. voting to leave the project. And why does that mean I personally should hang my head in shame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 21, 2019 Moderators Share Posted July 21, 2019 I'm sure mounts twisted logic will get you an answer soon enough However, I reckon the turkeys who voted for Christmas have more to be ashamed of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darwen_white Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 We voted for Christmas three years ago and we're still gobbling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Casino said: I'm sure mounts twisted logic will get you an answer soon enough However, I reckon the turkeys who voted for Christmas have more to be ashamed of More likely someone else will jump in and try and answer for him. That or radio silence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said: And why does that mean I personally should hang my head in shame? You are happy to overturn democracy, something millions died for, happy to stay in the EU and keep shipping money to the black hole, when we could quite easily use the money being used to prop up the EU to improve things for our people improving hospitals and to pay for more doctors and nurses to look after our own people. Edited July 21, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darwen_white Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: You are happy to overturn democracy, something millions died for, happy to stay in the EU and keep shipping money to the black hole, when we could quite easily use the money being used to prop up the EU to improve things for our people improving hospitals and to pay for more doctors and nurses to look after our own people. Pretty much what I and many others voted for, nothing much to think about really. Simple decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted July 21, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2019 22 minutes ago, darwen_white said: Pretty much what I and many others voted for, nothing much to think about really. Simple decision. You do realise that Churchill was all for a united europe? Also, yes we pay in £12bn per year but that more than pays for itself in seamless trade and easy access to tbe worlds largest trading bloc. You know, one that is within reach by road, rail and air in about an hour to continental europe and seconds in the island of Ireland. The EU is flawed for certain and I would describe it as having a democratic deficit. However, we should be inside and influencing its direction as the 2nd largest member, not outside scratching at its leg for leftovers. Russia must be pissing itself at our naivity in all this, we are gladly downgrading our political, economical and diplomatic standing. Oh and mounts, millions did not die for democracy, they died to fight the nazi's ffs. After all this though, we need to leave just to end it all. Then we can all argue again as things pan out for the worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Winchester White said: You do realise that Churchill was all for a united europe? Also, yes we pay in £12bn per year but that more than pays for itself in seamless trade and easy access to tbe worlds largest trading bloc. You know, one that is within reach by road, rail and air in about an hour to continental europe and seconds in the island of Ireland. The EU is flawed for certain and I would describe it as having a democratic deficit. However, we should be inside and influencing its direction as the 2nd largest member, not outside scratching at its leg for leftovers. Russia must be pissing itself at our naivity in all this, we are gladly downgrading our political, economical and diplomatic standing. Oh and mounts, millions did not die for democracy, they died to fight the nazi's ffs. After all this though, we need to leave just to end it all. Then we can all argue again as things pan out for the worse You do realise churchill has been dead nearly 60 years and the EU isn’t a united Europe it’s divided Europe and it’s developed nothing like churchill envisaged. A simple free trade deal is what it should be, no need for billions to be thrown into a bottomless pit to have a simple free trade deal, you cannot negotiate from within the Germans and french run the show for their own interest. As for your last comment, I’m not even gonna justify it by attempting to debate it with you. Edited July 21, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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