miamiwhite Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, kent_white said: Speaking of growth rates. The commies and the socialists seem to be doing alright of late. Where’s Venezuela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 22 minutes ago, paulhanley said: Remain lost in June 2016. You do suffer quite terribly from amnesia on that point. And anyway - if no deal is such a bad idea for everyone, then your utterly reasonable, intellectual, pragmatic chums in Brussels will make sure it doesn't happen. It's ever so clear that Mrs May's withdrawal agreement will not pass through the House of Commons. And so the ball is very much in Mr Barnier's court now. I had a dream recently about being cornered by you at a party and you being in bits when A50 was revoked... I didn't stay long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Where’s Venezuela North East of Columbia 192 out of 193 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: I had a dream recently about being cornered by you at a party and you being in bits when A50 was revoked... I didn't stay long What an odd dream to have. I really would recommend grief counselling. Its now three years and one month since the referendum and you're still in denial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, paulhanley said: That would be a fairly pragmatic route through. It'd be one hell of a climbdown for their imperial lordships in Brussels however. They don't do negotiation. They do stubborn, oppressive browbeating. Similar in tone and tenor to the oppressive and browbeating regulation that suppresses growth to below that being experienced elsewhere in the world. That must be why they/we keep signing historic trade deals with trading blocs all over the planet. If you get your way, we'll be the whipping boys of global trade come November. Edited July 30, 2019 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, kent_white said: North East of Columbia 192 out of 193 Who’s in bottom place pal ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Cheese said: That must be why they/we keep signing historic trade deals with trading blocs all over the planet. If you get your way, we'll be the whipping boys of global trade come November. Righto. I'll file that one alongside all of the other predictions from Europhiles/remainers dating right back to our departure from the Exchange Rate Mechanism and up to Project Fear/George Osborne. If you were racing pundits, I'd not be taking your tips. To put it mildly. It's just background noise now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, paulhanley said: Righto. I'll file that one alongside all of the other predictions from Europhiles/remainers dating right back to our departure from the Exchange Rate Mechanism and up to Project Fear/George Osborne. If you were racing pundits, I'd not be taking your tips. To put it mildly. It's just background noise now. Stick your finger in your ears all you want. If we leave with No Deal on 31st of October, overnight we become the only country on the planet who trades solely via the WTO. Do you honestly think that puts us in a strong position to negotiate future Trade Deals from? We'll basically be begging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Who’s in bottom place pal ? Syria! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Cheese said: Stick your finger in your ears all you want. If we leave with No Deal on 31st of October, overnight we become the only country on the planet who trades solely via the WTO. Do you honestly think that puts us in a strong position to negotiate future Trade Deals from? We'll basically be begging. With statements like "we'll basically be begging" you prove that it's you who has your fingers in your ears as regards what Brexit is all about. As ever, we're not going to agree. Pointless carrying on really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, kent_white said: Syria! Shame for those poor people, but they’ll recover in time and have a nice bounce up the league similar to Libya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, paulhanley said: With statements like "we'll basically be begging" you prove that it's you who has your fingers in your ears as regards what Brexit is all about. As ever, we're not going to agree. Pointless carrying on really. So you think we'll 'hold all the cards' again in future trade deals, immediately after leaving the largest Trading Bloc on the planet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Cheese said: So you think we'll 'hold all the cards' again in future trade deals, immediately after leaving the largest Trading Bloc on the planet? Why would anyone want to hold all the cards? Why do you put hold all the cards in speech marks? Trade is about mutual benefit. Trade between individual nation states. The largest trading bloc on the planet is a bureaucratic and undemocratic empire that reached its zenith some time ago and is on the decline. Like I said before. You speak with certitude. Yet folks with your view of the EU have absolutely no grounds for being so assured. You've had everything wrong since the early 90s. Goodnight. Edited July 30, 2019 by paulhanley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, paulhanley said: Why would anyone want to hold all the cards? Why do you put hold all the cards in speech marks? Trade is about mutual benefit. Trade between individual nation states. The largest trading bloc on the planet is a bureaucratic and undemocratic empire that reached its zenith some time ago and is on the decline. Like I said before. You speak with certitude. Yet folks with your view of the EU have absolutely no grounds for being so assured. You've had everything wrong since the early 90s. Goodnight. Because that was a well used phrase during, and immediately after, the Referendum - in reference to our negotiations with the EU27. You already knew that though. Goodnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, miamiwhite said: Shame for those poor people, but they’ll recover in time and have a nice bounce up the league similar to Libya. Aye, from a very low starting point quick strides can be made. Would expect Libya to do well now given the extradition of that terrorist cunt. Has the whiff of deals about it and some sort of very gradual move towards a normal system of governance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Aye, from a very low starting point quick strides can be made. The good times in terms of growth are over for rich countries. Poor countries are going to be the ones that benefit most from capitalism over the next couple of decades. Then poor folk will stop having the incentive to come over here and prop up our stagnating economy. Welcome to a dystopian future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, paulhanley said: What an odd dream to have. I really would recommend grief counselling. Its now three years and one month since the referendum and you're still in denial. It was more of a nightmare to be fair but like i said i left early😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athywhite1958 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Not in Crawley said: Brexit has never really been about leaving the EU, despite what it says on any bus side. It’s about ideology, about people who have felt marginalised by liberal internationalism that has left communities feeling unrepresented and without a voice. Thats the genius of Cummings - he saw and exploited what the MPs he despises on both sides couldn’t. Economic arguments count for naught (who really understands them?) and the only people talking about them were the very people people in leave hotbeds hated for trying to tell them ‘what they should think’ Take back control. From what? Who really knew or for that matter even cared? This is about the invisible enemy that has seen industrial strategy change, jobs walk out of towns across England and only city based Elites benefitted. This was a vote 30 or more years in the making and the EU gave us something to pin it on. Thats why it’d be a close run thing again, it’s not a political question of being part of the European Union, at its heart it’s the question of personal and regional identity wrapped up in the tissue paper flag nationhood and what it means on a personal level. It’s nostalgic, It’s the voice of people who haven’t been listened to, it’s not something that can be engaged with on normal debating terms (as this thread shows) and whatever it means, the ramifications will be felt long after most of us are dead and buried. when I was at Uni a lot of the younger students with political ambitions talked like you, I thought it was a load of bollocks then, I still do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2019 45 minutes ago, kent_white said: The good times in terms of growth are over for rich countries. Poor countries are going to be the ones that benefit most from capitalism over the next couple of decades. Then poor folk will stop having the incentive to come over here and prop up our stagnating economy. Welcome to a dystopian future We can then have the benefits of lower population growth. By then, hopefully, the government will have sorted the planting of the 1.5 billion trees in this country as recommended today. Additionally, maybe the NHS won't be being used by "health tourists" without money being claimed back. A clean, environmentally friendly infrastructure, agriculture and energy generation as well, making Britain one of the best places to live. Oh hang on, fuck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: We can then have the benefits of lower population growth. By then, hopefully, the government will have sorted the planting of the 1.5 billion trees in this country as recommended today. Additionally, maybe the NHS won't be being used by "health tourists" without money being claimed back. A clean, environmentally friendly infrastructure, agriculture and energy generation as well, making Britain one of the best places to live. Oh hang on, fuck! Unfortunately - our infrastructure would fall apart as our aging population loses its ability to fill the tax coffers. We're going to need a LOT of immigrants to balance the books. And to look after us in our dotage. By the way - I've worked in the NHS for over a decade and I'm still yet to see a patient I suspected of being a health tourist. Genuinely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, kent_white said: Unfortunately - our infrastructure would fall apart as our aging population loses its ability to fill the tax coffers. We're going to need a LOT of immigrants to balance the books. And to look after us in our dotage. By the way - I've worked in the NHS for over a decade and I'm still yet to see a patient I suspected of being a health tourist. Genuinely! Even if you did, we've always had the ability to claim back the cost of health care from their Country of Origin. We've just never bothered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, athywhite1958 said: when I was at Uni a lot of the younger students with political ambitions talked like you, I thought it was a load of bollocks then, I still do As I’m a middle aged man on occasion I overhear statements like this in various hostelries and often think what a load of dismissive bollocks masquerading as old bloke common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 31, 2019 Members Share Posted July 31, 2019 12 hours ago, Cheese said: So your idea of Democracy is "tell as many lies as possible in order to win, then do something entirely different and pretend that's what everyone voted for"? The irony! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 31, 2019 Members Share Posted July 31, 2019 7 hours ago, kent_white said: Speaking of growth rates. The commies and the socialists seem to be doing alright of late. Give it a rest comrade. When you are starting from a base as low as most of those, hardly a resounding vote of confidence in your rejected side of politics is it? "Libya now has 117.8% of fuck all". Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 8 hours ago, athywhite1958 said: when I was at Uni a lot of the younger students with political ambitions talked like you, I thought it was a load of bollocks then, I still do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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