Members bolty58 Posted August 12, 2019 Members Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 11/08/2019 at 05:55, Sweep said: What would actually be wrong with a federal state of Europe? - what are people scared of? Big government. You should be scared of it too. We want less nanny state bullshit, more personal responsibility and more freedom of choice for individuals. Fuck federalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted August 12, 2019 Members Share Posted August 12, 2019 18 hours ago, kent_white said: Why do people answer questions with a question? They've learned it from Cheese. A diversionary tactic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I see the US is now the country we have most imports and exports with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted August 12, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 12, 2019 I like Pie, he makes me giggle whilst being bang on the money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49325620 who’s gonna be the first muppet to mention chlorinated chicken. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49325620 who’s gonna be the first muppet to mention chlorinated chicken. 😂 Chlorinated chicken is the least of our worries, we should be concerned about any drop in food standards remembering that should we strike a deal with the US then it stops us striking a deal with the EU https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/food-standards-brexit-uk-us-trade-deal-maggots-rat-hair-worms-insects-mould-products-a8575721.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 35 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49325620 who’s gonna be the first muppet to mention chlorinated chicken. 😂 I still don't know what the issue with chlorinated chicken is supposed to be? It's safe, kills bacteria and pathogens and if it tastes and costs the same and doesn't have any health implications - what's the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, kent_white said: I still don't know what the issue with chlorinated chicken is supposed to be? It's safe, kills bacteria and pathogens and if it tastes and costs the same and doesn't have any health implications - what's the problem? It's all about animal welfare and lower hygiene standards, the US have lower standards and use chlorine as a fail safe to kill all bacteria. If we allow it into our food chain then we won't be able to agree a trade deal with the EU on food because they have much higher food standards https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47440562 Edited August 13, 2019 by Salford Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) The Trump administration is ruthless when it comes to trade. We have seen his approach to Mexico, Canada and China. Unfortunately for us, this is the worst possible time to be trying to negotiate a deal with the US, yet it’s the very time we are desperate for one so that the Government can say “look at this big new trade deal we have”. Less than ideal circumstances for us getting the best deal. That’s why we are at the front of the queue. Edited August 13, 2019 by Jol_BWFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 13, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: It's all about animal welfare and lower hygiene standards, the US have lower standards and use chlorine as a fail safe to kill all bacteria. If we allow it into our food chain then we won't be able to agree a trade deal with the EU on food because they have much higher food standards https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47440562 That report doesn't say much, apart from one bacteria seems higher in poultry in the states etc, and another bacteria is higher in Britain and Europe. What's to stop producers carrying on doing so to current standards or even higher to ensure eu trade, and choice in the home market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: That report doesn't say much, apart from one bacteria seems higher in poultry in the states etc, and another bacteria is higher in Britain and Europe. What's to stop producers carrying on doing so to current standards or even higher to ensure eu trade, and choice in the home market? If the US producers were to align behind EU standards across the board then fair enough but would they realistically? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 13, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: If the US producers were to align behind EU standards across the board then fair enough but would they realistically? If our standards are in excess of those of the USA, then they don't need to change to export do they? Obviously, there may be concerns that American imports could be cheaper than home produced stuff, but that would be a choice for consumers. Interestingly, quite a bit of lamb from new Zealand is available now, so presumably this meets current standards and is often cheaper than home produced (don't know how), so American producers could do it if they so choose. Looking at the bigger, long term picture, a change to the way land is used and food produced is going to be required, which could well bring about far more significant change than a post brexit adjustment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: If our standards are in excess of those of the USA, then they don't need to change to export do they? Obviously, there may be concerns that American imports could be cheaper than home produced stuff, but that would be a choice for consumers. Interestingly, quite a bit of lamb from new Zealand is available now, so presumably this meets current standards and is often cheaper than home produced (don't know how), so American producers could do it if they so choose. Looking at the bigger, long term picture, a change to the way land is used and food produced is going to be required, which could well bring about far more significant change than a post brexit adjustment. This is all about US imports getting into the EU supply chain via the UK. If they don't meet EU standards they won't be allowed in and therefore there will be no EU:UK trade deal on food or at best restrictions on what can be traded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Salford Trotter said: It's all about animal welfare and lower hygiene standards, the US have lower standards and use chlorine as a fail safe to kill all bacteria. If we allow it into our food chain then we won't be able to agree a trade deal with the EU on food because they have much higher food standards https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47440562 Surely we'd be able to continue to produce chicken with whatever animal welfare and hygiene standards we choose? It would only become an issue if we chose to allow production of chlorinated chicken in our factories and then attempted to export it to the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, kent_white said: Surely we'd be able to continue to produce chicken with whatever animal welfare and hygiene standards we choose? It would only become an issue if we chose to allow production of chlorinated chicken in our factories and then attempted to export it to the EU? Our animal welfare/hygiene standards are in line with EU basic standards, some countries may choose to work to a higher standard and that's their choice. In a world of free trade and no border checks the EU will be concerned that any FTA with the UK will protect its supply chain and that is crux of the issue. So in the case that the UK allows imports from whatever country if there is a difference in welfare/hygiene standards between those countries then (in this case the EU and the US) then the EU has every right to refuse to trade with the UK as it won't be compliant in order to protect the integrity of their standards. After all the standards are there for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 53 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: This is all about US imports getting into the EU supply chain via the UK. If they don't meet EU standards they won't be allowed in and therefore there will be no EU:UK trade deal on food or at best restrictions on what can be traded Surely US food products will go direct to EU rather than via U.K. our products can be kept to EU standards or higher standards. This ain’t rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Surely US food products will go direct to EU rather than via U.K. our products can be kept to EU standards or higher standards. This ain’t rocket science. The EU won't allow US imports that don't meet the standards, that's the whole point of the debate that you are failing to grasp. For example the US allows producers there to use growth hormones in their live stock; pesticides on their crops and unlabelled GM food that are all banned in the EU. If those banned products are allowed into the UK supply chain then the EU cannot have a free trade agreement on food with the UK as there will have to be checks at the border to ensure nothing slips through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: The EU won't allow US imports that don't meet the standards, that's the whole point of the debate that you are failing to grasp. For example the US allows producers there to use growth hormones in their live stock; pesticides on their crops and unlabelled GM food that are all banned in the EU. If those banned products are allowed into the UK supply chain then the EU cannot have a free trade agreement on food with the UK as there will have to be checks at the border to ensure nothing slips through. Well either that or you exclude food from FTA.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said: Well either that or you exclude food from FTA.... Or just exclude chickens? So does EU only have free trade agreements in place on food with countries who have agreed to identical standards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Just now, kent_white said: Or just exclude chickens? So does EU only have free trade agreements in place on food with countries who have agreed to identical standards? as i said previously there are also issues around growth hormones for livestock, GM labelling and crop pesticides that are all banned in the EU so it's a bigger issue than just chicken. To trade with the EU you have to have to be compliant with the standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: The EU won't allow US imports that don't meet the standards, that's the whole point of the debate that you are failing to grasp. For example the US allows producers there to use growth hormones in their live stock; pesticides on their crops and unlabelled GM food that are all banned in the EU. If those banned products are allowed into the UK supply chain then the EU cannot have a free trade agreement on food with the UK as there will have to be checks at the border to ensure nothing slips through. What happens now with regards US-EU food imports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: as i said previously there are also issues around growth hormones for livestock, GM labelling and crop pesticides that are all banned in the EU so it's a bigger issue than just chicken. To trade with the EU you have to have to be compliant with the standards So the US don't export food to the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: What happens now with regards US-EU food imports? If the imports don't comply to the standards they don't get in, it's quite simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, kent_white said: So the US don't export food to the EU? Some foods yes. Others no. But not as part of an FTA so substantial checks still required. I think the issue is say we want cheap US chicken and import it - but also want a FTA with EU - EU turn round and say ok but we can't do it on poultry - and therefore checks required for movement increase - as do regulations - which has wide knock on impacts. The thing about being in the EU is trade complexity with the EU is greatly reduced. As it is with all countries who have agreements with EU. Once you leave the trading bloc - the complexity increases exponentially for trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: If the imports don't comply to the standards they don't get in, it's quite simple. But they would comply to the standards? Unless we decide to change our standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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