Mounts Kipper Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Ok, devils advocate then We have an election to ‘sort BREXIT out’ Lib Dems win a majority and revoke article 50. You think that will sort out BREXIT and we can all move on? The problem with the original referendum was that they didn’t expect to lose. With hindsight it should have been leave / remain. Then, 2nd question, if leaving wins would you prefer.... soft / middle / hard BREXIT With everyone getting input into it, not just leavers As things stand we are struggling to get a majority in Parliament as the only mandate from the people (leaving EU) is too broad brush Have another referendum with three clear leave options on the table and let’s do it properly. I’d accept it via a GE I would not accept a 3 option referendum that included remain because we’ve already voted on that and it has not been honoured. Edited October 20, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 20, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2019 13 hours ago, Escobarp said: Every time we have an election the electoral demographic changes daily thereafter no? . So it’s not unique to this situation. They will get a chance to vote again in the future in all likelihood. After we’ve left We should have an election every month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Inlay cover of Cameron's autobiography! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, kent_white said: Inlay cover of Cameron's autobiography! Bit surprised that you reading it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’d accept it via a GE I would not accept a 3 option referendum that included remain because we’ve already voted on that and it has not been honoured. GE sorts nothing. Referendum knowing what we know now is required, Remain vs Boris deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Escobarp said: I keep saying it but this is absolutely spot on. The key being all the options now should be linked to leave and how we leave not if. This is the only way the first referendum is honored and upheld before someone says it yes I know there will be few more people who have birthdays today and are now eligible to vote. Same as every day 😴😴😴😴 No, remain has to be on there. There was no honour in the leave campaign of 2016 and upholding that result would be fraudulent. Edited October 20, 2019 by Farrelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Farrelli said: GE sorts nothing. Referendum knowing what we know now is required, Remain vs Boris deal. Keep saying it, but it doesn’t mean it’s true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, Farrelli said: No, remain has to be on there. There was no honour in the leave campaign of 2016 and uphelding that result would be fraudulent. Keep saying it, but it doesn’t mean it’s true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted October 20, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Keep saying it, but it doesn’t mean it’s true Bit rich. You've spent the last 3 and a bit years repeating things that aren't true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Farrelli said: No, remain has to be on there. There was no honour in the leave campaign of 2016 and uphelding that result would be fraudulent. The extent of the hubris and delusion is summed up in this post. If that was the case litigious remoaners would have proved it in the courtroom long, long ago. Resorting to the court to undermine democracy is what zealots like you do. You are dangerous, autocratic and incapable of accepting when you've lost an election. Remain lost in 2016. It lost. That is why we are leaving the EU. Let me spell that out for you again. WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results Either learn to live with it or go and see a shrink for help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Cheese said: Bit rich. You've spent the last 3 and a bit years repeating things that aren't true. Only in the deep, narrow remoaning trench that is your mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 19 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Keep saying it, but it doesn’t mean it’s true Keep denying it but the issue is there and needs to be addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, paulhanley said: The extent of the hubris and delusion is summed up in this post. If that was the case litigious remoaners would have proved it in the courtroom long, long ago. Resorting to the court to undermine democracy is what zealots like you do. You are dangerous, autocratic and incapable of accepting when you've lost an election. Remain lost in 2016. It lost. That is why we are leaving the EU. Let me spell that out for you again. WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results Either learn to live with it or go and see a shrink for help. I'm ok thanks but a second referendum is required and many MP's share this view. You should be confident of leave coming out on top but deep down you know the people were hoodwinked last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted October 20, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, paulhanley said: The extent of the hubris and delusion is summed up in this post. If that was the case litigious remoaners would have proved it in the courtroom long, long ago. Resorting to the court to undermine democracy is what zealots like you do. You are dangerous, autocratic and incapable of accepting when you've lost an election. Remain lost in 2016. It lost. That is why we are leaving the EU. Let me spell that out for you again. WE ARE LEAVING THE EU. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results Either learn to live with it or go and see a shrink for help. It's almost as though you think Remain would win if we held a referendum now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, Farrelli said: I'm ok thanks but a second referendum is required and many MP's share this view. You should be confident of leave coming out on top but deep down you know the people were hoodwinked last time. George Osborne was the one trying to hoodwink. He failed. We voted leave because we actually wanted to leave. We voted leave because we don't share your view - and in a free country with free speech and freedom of thought was are entitled to do exactly that. People like you are disappearing in to a whirlpool of your own making. You cannot keep up this endless tantrum about a second referendum. 1. For anyone to even to think of a second referendum at some point in the future the result of the first needs implementing otherwise we do not live in a democracy. 2. If a second referendum happens then every future general and local election in this country is open to challenge by people on the losing side. I am confident leave would win - and more convincingly than last time. But so low is the barrier now in this country now in terms of the crucial democratic cornerstone of loser's consent that there'll be an immediate campaign for a third if remain win. Why not? You've set the example. This is what the likes of you have created over the last three years with your whining and squawking. You are a disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Cheese said: It's almost as though you think Remain would win if we held a referendum now? Nope. Remain would lose. There are enough 2016 remainers who have principles and who are as sick to the back teeth with remoaners as those who voted leave. There's a deal in place. It'd be a bigger win for leave with Boris's deal. You are gradually being shown to be the marginal undemocratic, totalitarian, censorious extremist zealots you are. Remoan, remoan. You too are a disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted October 20, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, paulhanley said: Nope. Remain would lose. There are enough 2016 remainers who have principles and who are as sick to the back teeth with remoaners as those who voted leave. There's a deal in place. It'd be a bigger win for leave with Boris's deal. You won't mind if we hold another one then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Farrelli said: I'm ok thanks but a second referendum is required and many MP's share this view. You should be confident of leave coming out on top but deep down you know the people were hoodwinked last time. Doesn’t take a great mathematical mind to work this out. Let me simplify though. Me and my missus and 3 kids debating what to do for tea. Stay in or go out. 2 choose stay in 3 choose to go out. Result we say. Now where do we go? We can’t agree. One wants Chinese , one a steak and one an Indian. The two who don’t want to go out are sulking crying and being wee Fanny’s about it. Then one of the sulking Fanny’s has an idea. Let’s have another vote. Stay in against Chinese, Indian or steak. We hold the vote. The result was we stay in You get my drift now please please get over it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Cheese said: You won't mind if we hold another one then. Not until the first one has been implemented. If the results of votes (referendums or otherwise) are not implemented then we no longer live in a democracy. Clearly you don't give a fuck about that. What you give a fuck about is getting your own way even though you're in a minority. The stuff of the banana republic. But let be clear - if there was as second referendum, leave would win. The cowards are Corbyn, Swinson and co. Don't want an election because they know they'll be swept aside. Change is coming - and it will not be change that falls within the narrow gutter trench of your remoaning mind. Edited October 20, 2019 by paulhanley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Doesn’t take a great mathematical mind to work this out. Let me simplify though. Me and my missus and 3 kids debating what to do for tea. Stay in or go out. 2 choose stay in 3 choose to go out. Result we say. Now where do we go? We can’t agree. One wants Chinese , one a steak and one an Indian. The two who don’t want to go out are sulking crying and being wee Fanny’s about it. Then one of the sulking Fanny’s has an idea. Let’s have another vote. Stay in against Chinese, Indian or steak. We hold the vote. The result was we stay in You get my drift now please please get over it Sounds great but not a good analogy or relevant. We are all entitled to our own view and that is mine. Edited October 20, 2019 by Farrelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 20, 2019 Moderators Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, paulhanley said: Not until the first one has been implemented. If the results of votes (referendums or otherwise) are not implemented then we no longer live in a democracy. Clearly you don't give a fuck about that. What you give a fuck about is getting your own way even though you're in a minority. The stuff of the banana republic. But let be clear - if there was as second referendum, leave would win. The cowards are Corbyn, Swinson and co. Don't want an election because they no they'll be swept aside. Change is coming - and it will not be change that falls within the narrow gutter trench of your remoaning mind. What's democratic about telling NI theyre being sold out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted October 20, 2019 Author Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, Farrelli said: Sounds great but not a good anology or relevant. We are all entitled to our own view and that is mine. Look at Lucy Powell’s comments then belt the fuck up will you ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50115151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 20, 2019 Moderators Share Posted October 20, 2019 Just now, Farrelli said: Sounds great but not a good analogy or relevant. We are all entitled to our own view and that is mine. I quite like the analogy It just shows the key is asking the right question Who fancies going out for an Indian would've prevented the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, paulhanley said: George Osborne was the one trying to hoodwink. He failed. We voted leave because we actually wanted to leave. We voted leave because we don't share your view - and in a free country with free speech and freedom of thought was are entitled to do exactly that. People like you are disappearing in to a whirlpool of your own making. You cannot keep up this endless tantrum about a second referendum. 1. For anyone to even to think of a second referendum at some point in the future the result of the first needs implementing otherwise we do not live in a democracy. 2. If a second referendum happens then every future general and local election in this country is open to challenge by people on the losing side. I am confident leave would win - and more convincingly than last time. But so low is the barrier now in this country now in terms of the crucial democratic cornerstone of loser's consent that there'll be an immediate campaign for a third if remain win. Why not? You've set the example. This is what the likes of you have created over the last three years with your whining and squawking. You are a disgrace. As said by Casino and others, Scotland and NI are not being allowed to have their own majority view upheld. Let's see if people are ok about the UK being broken up as well as the economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Sounds great but not a good analogy or relevant. We are all entitled to our own view and that is mine. If you believe that mathematically splitting one side of a vote by dilution to artificially create a majority on the other side isnt relevant to this then you really are in need of help. And yes yes that is exactly what the crying screaming whining remain side are attempting to do. Not my opinion but fact Edited October 20, 2019 by Escobarp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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