Politics

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Do me a favour by way of an apology? Tell me who the fuck this Steve bray guy is? Not a scooby 😂

The bloke who stands outside Parliament wearing an EU top hat and shouts "Stop Brexit" through a megaphone. 

Edited October 21, 2019 by Cheese

[miamiwhite]

Just now, Escobarp said:

Thought you were going to sleep?

I need to turn my notifications off, plus finding it too funny

 

[Escobarp]

Just now, Cheese said:

The bloke who stands outside Parliament wearing an EU top hat and shouts "Stop Brexit" through a megaphone. 

I actually thought that was you until last week 

[Cheese]

4 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

A dick just tonight ?

Fair play for apologising, and well done on the podcast too fella.

No, not just tonight. I'm sure there are plenty of examples. I'm only human.

Edited October 21, 2019 by Cheese

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Wow,....steady on mate

 

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[birch-chorley]

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The plan is to do tariff free trade deal with EU, Remainers want us to stay in the customs union which means we won’t be able to negotiate a deal with China, it’s quite clear why they want us to stay in the customs union as it then reduces the effectiveness of leaving the EU and then will argue little point in us leaving. What a set of class A cunts these remainers are. 

A tariff free trade deal like Canada have? Don’t believe that covers service sector and that’s 80% of our exports 

full tariff free access won’t be on the table if we want to strike deals across the globe 

Not that it matters when it comes to a free trade deal with China or India, neither will happen whatever our relationship is with the EU 

[miamiwhite]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

No, not just tonight. I'm sure there are plenty of examples. I'm only human.

Correct fella. We’re all humans and balloons most of the time.

The banter is what makes this site.

Fuck knows what we’ll argue about though when Brexit is a proven success.

Right, let me nod to Spiral now......the ginger solicitor on remand would be rattled senselessly against the bar......yeah or nae

 

[peelyfeet]

Divide and conquer. Leave and Remain are both shite. Labour and Tory both shite, politicians do what they want. Meanwhile wealth distribution inequality grows, corporations become richer, and the population becomes more polarised. It's depressingly boring.

[bolty58]

6 hours ago, royal white said:

If anything it should be leave holding the demonstrations as they’re the ones who are being fucked about, it does seem they have more morales about them.

No where have I said every leave voter would accept it, but I’m very confident we wouldn’t have seen teddies thrown like there has been  by the remain lot

What behaviour are you on about? 

The military having all leave cancelled?

[bolty58]

4 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

Divide and conquer. Leave and Remain are both shite. Labour and Tory both shite, politicians do what they want. Meanwhile wealth distribution inequality grows, corporations become richer, and the population becomes more polarised. It's depressingly boring.

Go on then - what's your solution. Anarchy? The failed concept of socialism?

Corporations getting richer often means more people being employed.

A breeze block apartment with a Moskvich outside and no prospects or aspirations. Now that is depressingly boring.

[royal white]

3 hours ago, bolty58 said:

The military having all leave cancelled?

That was one of my favourite ones 😂😂 what a gobshite! 

[paulhanley]

9 hours ago, birch-chorley said:

Good to see some trade deals done, although nothing in that list of any great value 

Can you tell me what terms those agreements have been based on? Surely we haven’t just rolled the current terms as set by the EU? After all, I thought the point was that we would make our own deals that are much better 

You've not tackled the issue of the EU being a diminishing percentage of the EU's overall trade. Do you acknowledge this as a fact? We are an outlier in the EU in terms of percentage of trade done with the rest of the world. And would you therefore also acknowledge it makes no sense for us to have a trade policy bespoke to our wants and needs. (Indeed it makes sense for every nation to have the same!!)

Those trade deals listed are roll-overs on the whole but talks are underway about improving a lot of the terms and striking wholly new trade deals with other nations.

In short, the EU is not the be all and end all and is decreasing in importance to UK trade with each passing year. Let's have a trade policy that reflects this.

[birch-chorley]

1 hour ago, paulhanley said:

You've not tackled the issue of the EU being a diminishing percentage of the EU's overall trade. Do you acknowledge this as a fact? We are an outlier in the EU in terms of percentage of trade done with the rest of the world. And would you therefore also acknowledge it makes no sense for us to have a trade policy bespoke to our wants and needs. (Indeed it makes sense for every nation to have the same!!)

Those trade deals listed are roll-overs on the whole but talks are underway about improving a lot of the terms and striking wholly new trade deals with other nations.

In short, the EU is not the be all and end all and is decreasing in importance to UK trade with each passing year. Let's have a trade policy that reflects this.

Let’s be clear on diminishing, the EU has still grown in cash value terms, but as a % of global trade they are getting smaller. However, this can be said of all developed economies....

UK, EU, US, Australia, Canada, NewZealand etc are all ‘diminishing’ in terms of % share of global trade as the likes of China a India have developed at a huge rate 

With that in mind, why would we want to move away from a ‘diminishing’ EU to build trade deals with an equally ‘diminishing’ US? You can’t have it both ways 

If your after trade deals with economies that aren’t diminishing in terms of % share then you need to look at India and China but those deals are miles away if not impossible. That’s why Liz Truss is prioritising trade deals with countries that also have ‘diminishing’ % share of global trade 

Personally I’m with her, bollocks to % share, I’d rather go where...

1) the money is in absolute cash terms (EU, US, China, India, Canada, Japan, Australia)

2) Where we can actually agree a deal as we share standards (EU, US, Canada, Japan, Australia) 

Edited October 22, 2019 by birch-chorley

[Salford Trotter]

All this talk of the 'corrupt' EU yet we want to focus on forging trade deals with the most corrupt nations in the world. Hypocrisy at its best! 

China, India, the Middle East, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, USA et al

[birch-chorley]

13 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

All this talk of the 'corrupt' EU yet we want to focus on forging trade deals with the most corrupt nations in the world. Hypocrisy at its best! 

China, India, the Middle East, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, USA et al

Let’s break some of those down....

India want 100k visas a year in exchange for a free trade deal, as immigration was a huge catalyst for BREXIT it rules them out and Liz Truss knows it 

The US will smell blood and push for a reduction in food standards, we will probably agree in order to get a big deal over the line. A bad day for British food standards but we move on 

China would like a trade deal, but they don’t have many which tells its own story. Also, any UK US trade deal will be linked to any future UK China deal to stop us becoming a ‘warehouse’ for Chinese goods into the US. In short, we would have to wait for a US China deal then follow that framework, basically swapping Brussels where we have a say to Washington where we don’t (assuming we want a US deal ourselves, forget the US and we can set up our own deal with China) 

other than that, they are adding up to two bits of bugger all 

Edited October 22, 2019 by birch-chorley

[Salford Trotter]

1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

Let’s break some of those down....

India want 100k visas a year in exchange for a free trade deal, as immigration was a huge catalyst for BREXIT it rules them out and Liz Truss knows it 

The US will smell blood and push for a reduction in food standards, we will probably agree in order to get a big deal over the line. A bad day for British food standards but we move on 

China would like a trade deal, but they don’t have many which tells its own story. Also, any UK US trade deal will be linked to any future UK China deal to stop us becoming a ‘warehouse’ for Chinese goods into the US. In short, we would have to wait for a US China deal then follow that framework, basically swapping Brussels where we have a say to Washington where we don’t (assuming we’re want a US deal ourselves, forget the US and we can set up our own deal with China) 

other than that, they are adding up to two bits of bugger all 

Isn't strange that there is no mention of the 'strings attached' to these wonderful free trade deals that countries are queuing up to sign with us?

[Mounts Kipper]

18 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Isn't strange that there is no mention of the 'strings attached' to these wonderful free trade deals that countries are queuing up to sign with us?

Strings attached to any deal, strange you don’t mention the strings attached to our current deal with the EU. No deal will have more strings than the ones we are tied into the EU with. 

[birch-chorley]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

Strings attached to any deal, strange you don’t mention the strings attached to our current deal with the EU. No deal will have more strings than the ones we are tied into the EU with. 

Mounts, would you be happy with Washington having a major say in any future trade deals that we do? That’s what they would require to stop us being a back door into them 

Is it worth it just to sign a deal with them? 

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Mounts, would you be happy with Washington having a major say in any future trade deals that we do? That’s what they would require to stop us being a back door into them 

Is it worth it just to sign a deal with them? 

Depends on the benefits for the U.K., this is what leaving the EU is partly about going out into the world and having the flexibility to decide on our own accord.  

Edited October 22, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[birch-chorley]

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Depends on the benefits for the U.K., this is what leaving the EU is partly about going out into the world and having the flexibility to decide on our own accord.  

Surely you wouldn’t want to swap the biggest trading zone in the world (EU) where we have a say for the 2nd biggest where we wouldn’t have a say? 

[Mounts Kipper]

13 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Surely you wouldn’t want to swap the biggest trading zone in the world (EU) where we have a say for the 2nd biggest where we wouldn’t have a say? 

It’s not a straight swap, we want to trade with both. 

[bwfcfan5]

The EU already has a number of trade deals that we benefit from. We’ve only managed to replicate a fraction of these so far. And the ones we’ve done are not as good as what we had.

The EU is in effect a ‘bulk buyer’. The idea that on our own we will get better deals without strings attached is silly and has no basis in reality. 
 

[Mounts Kipper]

17 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The EU already has a number of trade deals that we benefit from. We’ve only managed to replicate a fraction of these so far. And the ones we’ve done are not as good as what we had.

The EU is in effect a ‘bulk buyer’. The idea that on our own we will get better deals without strings attached is silly and has no basis in reality. 
 

What deals have we signed that are not as good as the deals we have as an EU member? 

[bwfcfan5]

33 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

What deals have we signed that are not as good as the deals we have as an EU member? 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47739303

[bolty58]

I am beginning to believe that remainers have become 'institutionalised' like long term prisoners. Just can't cut it in the outside world where you have to plough your own furrow and, given the chance, would reoffend in an instant to get back into the institution.

Prefer to have their lives planned out for them with a rigid set of rules - breakfast at 6am, shitting at 7am, exercise at 9am, lunch at noon.............you get the drift.

From the referendum result, it seems that leavers have more confidence in the innate ingenuity, inventiveness and industry of the British people which is where the confidence comes from that we will thrive and prosper after an initial and inevitable short term disruption.

Just get it done Boris. You'll romp the next election if you do and many of the spineless plotters in Parliament will have been dealt with as they deserve by the long suffering British electorate.