Site Supporter Cheese Posted September 16, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2020 44 minutes ago, green genie said: Why? To the first statement https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/why-are-the-royal-navys-nuclear-submarines-based-on-the-clyde-in-scotland/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, MickyD said: Hang on, @bolty58 will be getting up for work in a bit. He’ll know. He knows fuck all about most things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green genie Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 27 minutes ago, Cheese said: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/why-are-the-royal-navys-nuclear-submarines-based-on-the-clyde-in-scotland/ That refers to a decision made for the Cold War. Sailing from UK likely to take you south and east these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted September 16, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, green genie said: That refers to a decision made for the Cold War. Sailing from UK likely to take you south and east these days. We don't scramble Typhoon's on an almost-daily basis to intercept Iranian bombers/reconnaissance aircraft. The nuclear deterrant is still by far the most important aspect of our military power. If our subs were operated out of Plymouth, they would no longer be a deterrent. Edited September 16, 2020 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, MickyD said: Hang on, @bolty58 will be getting up for work in a bit. He’ll know. 39 minutes ago, mickbrown said: He knows fuck all about most things But harsh, I don't always agree with him, but he's a fairly knowledgeable chap on some matters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sweep said: But harsh, I don't always agree with him, but he's a fairly knowledgeable chap on some matters Shit scooters and socks. Granted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Shit scooters and socks. Granted I'd forgotten about the Pantherellas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Just now, Sweep said: I'd forgotten about the Pantherellas The dull, bullshit artist will be along later. I’m sure he’ll bore you shitless on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 We're fairly split as a nation on leaving the EU, or we were, but if the whole nation was determined we left, we'd surely find a solution to the Irish question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 16, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Shit scooters and socks. Granted Shit scooters suggests the existence of good ones. Hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted September 16, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-54179745 It's all going swimmingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green genie Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 38 minutes ago, Cheese said: We don't scramble Typhoon's on an almost-daily basis to intercept Iranian bombers/reconnaissance aircraft. The nuclear deterrant is still by far the most important aspect of our military power. If our subs were operated out of Plymouth, they would no longer be a deterrent. Why? It's the two (three if you are lucky) at sea that are the deterrent not the one i've stood underneath in 5 Basin Devonport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 16, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2020 There’s more Russian subs in the Clyde than British ones. FACT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 58 minutes ago, Cheese said: We don't scramble Typhoon's on an almost-daily basis to intercept Iranian bombers/reconnaissance aircraft. The nuclear deterrant is still by far the most important aspect of our military power. If our subs were operated out of Plymouth, they would no longer be a deterrent. I don't understand that Cheese. Why do you figure they would no longer be a deterrent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted September 16, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, Spider said: There’s more Russian subs in the Clyde than British ones. FACT Just how deep is the Clyde? 🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, green genie said: Why? It's the two (three if you are lucky) at sea that are the deterrent not the one i've stood underneath in 5 Basin Devonport. Open day at BAE Barrow climbing into a sub was an experience, and i thought it was cramped down the pit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted September 16, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, leigh white said: Open day at BAE Barrow climbing into a sub was an experience, and i thought it was cramped down the pit. An old diesel powered sub came down Manchester Ship Canal in the late 60s or very early 70s. My dad took me and our kid to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted September 16, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2020 33 minutes ago, green genie said: Why? It's the two (three if you are lucky) at sea that are the deterrent not the one i've stood underneath in 5 Basin Devonport. 17 minutes ago, kent_white said: I don't understand that Cheese. Why do you figure they would no longer be a deterrent? Because their effectivity relies on them not taking an extra week to return to dock when they have a maintenance issue. Our nuclear deterrent operates on an exteremely fine line as it is. It doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted September 16, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, MickyD said: An old diesel powered sub came down Manchester Ship Canal in the late 60s or very early 70s. My dad took me and our kid to see it. Just found this https://www.warrington-worldwide.co.uk/2020/04/30/mystery-of-submarines-at-latchford-locks-solved/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 16, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 16, 2020 Nuclear deterrents are bollocks anyway No one is pressing the button that means the end of the world so to speak Why would putin, for example, press the button if it meant one came right back at him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 16, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, ZicoKelly said: Why would putin, for example, press the button if it meant one came right back at him Isn't that the very point of a deterrent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, MickyD said: Just found this https://www.warrington-worldwide.co.uk/2020/04/30/mystery-of-submarines-at-latchford-locks-solved/ Brilliant pics those, only time i travelled on the MSC was with a trip from junior school from Liverpool to Manc in 64, the whole journey was an hive of activity with all the industry in the big towns alongside the canal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted September 16, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Nuclear deterrents are bollocks anyway No one is pressing the button that means the end of the world so to speak Why would putin, for example, press the button if it meant one came right back at him That's the entire point. I can highly recommend the book "The Bomb" by Fred Kaplan. It is terrifying but explains in great detail how we got to this position, and how we can, unfortunately, never go back. Edited September 16, 2020 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted September 16, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, ZicoKelly said: Nuclear deterrents are bollocks anyway No one is pressing the button that means the end of the world so to speak Why would putin, for example, press the button if it meant one came right back at him But surely that’s why ours; and every other nuclear super power IS a deterrent. If only Russia had them then they’d face no deterrent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athywhite1958 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, leigh white said: Brilliant pics those, only time i travelled on the MSC was with a trip from junior school from Liverpool to Manc in 64, the whole journey was an hive of activity with all the industry in the big towns alongside the canal. Just tried to pm you but it says you can't receive messages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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