Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 5, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2018 15 hours ago, miamiwhite said: Sorry S, but I work in the game and will have to disagree with you here. Travis Perkins are notorious for ridiculously high prices and are nowhere as near as competitive as similar groups such as SIG. Normal tradesmen don’t go anywhere near Perkins....I’d rather shop at Dorothy Perkins. They can blame who and what they like....the real truth is their sky high prices. They are shit. just like the French and MSM are trying to blame fuel prices etc for the riots over there..l..what a load of old cobblers......speak to the folk on the streets there and get their opinion. 100%. Should be called Turpin Perkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 46 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Bullshit Corbyn was never going to do the debate. Why, because he’s a leaver and any debate would highlight that and that would go down like a lead ballon with the Labour Party. As I’ve said before why the fuck should he? May shat out of one before the GE. He’s got nowt to gain from doing one now. He can just sit back and watch the Tories implode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 5, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, mickbrown said: As I’ve said before why the fuck should he? May shat out of one before the GE. He’s got nowt to gain from doing one now. He can just sit back and watch the Tories implode. I think he has. As has been pointed out previously, a huge chunk of the labour vote, also voted to leave. He might need to build a number of bridges within to avoid a drop in their vote. Maybe a debate would give him the opportunity. That said, the "momentum" behind his party is largely at odds with those out voting folk. Frankly, both major parties are screwing themselves over. As an aside, the word is that Grieves' amendment, is likely to boost May's chances of getting the deal through; as more ardent brexiteers see their chances of a harder leave diminish, so forcing them to commit to a lesser deal. Whether that comes to fruition, we'll have to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 What is the point in a TV debate? generally the purpose is to sway viewers and voters in to making a decision on something. Unless another referendum is on the cards, we are leaving and there’s fuck all the public can do as to how. You can watch the pair of pricks argue in the commons all day on parliament TV if you wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 5, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, gonzo said: What is the point in a TV debate? generally the purpose is to sway viewers and voters in to making a decision on something. Unless another referendum is on the cards, we are leaving and there’s fuck all the public can do as to how. You can watch the pair of pricks argue in the commons all day on parliament TV if you wish. I don't disagree- people and MPs have pretty much made their mind up. It may be an opportunity though for them to explain how they would do things going forward, which is what I was alluding to above. That may be useful for the next election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just for clarity what actually is Jez Corbyns alternative to the deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 13 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’m all ears please feel free to educate me about my Brexit, Scottish independence tangle. And I’ll also listen carefully to what you have to say about my misunderstanding of parliamentary democracy. I think three of us did yesterday. Do keep up Mounts, I know its difficult with everyone running rings around you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Wow - so the full legal advice is absolutely damning. And May has mislead the country on this. From the legal advice: Despite statements that it is not intended to be permanent…in international law the protocol would endure indefinitely until a superseding agreement took its place.....does not provide a mechanism that is likely to enable the UK lawfully to exit the UK wide customs Union without a subsequent agreement. This remains the case even if parties are still negotiating many years later Also says the backstop is a "political decision". None of this was made clear at all. In fact the fact that international law would mean we would be stuck in there indefinitely was deliberately obfuscated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 5, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2018 33 minutes ago, gonzo said: Just for clarity what actually is Jez Corbyns alternative to the deal? Exactly, TM consistently says they don't have one. Again, it would be an opportunity to put this right. Not saying I'd watch it like. All getting a bit tedious now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 36 minutes ago, gonzo said: Just for clarity what actually is Jez Corbyns alternative to the deal? He wants a Norway model...though depends which day of the week you ask.....but broadly a Norway model.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted December 5, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: He wants a Norway model...though depends which day of the week you ask.....but broadly a Norway model.... don't blame him, wouldnt mind one myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 51 minutes ago, gonzo said: Just for clarity what actually is Jez Corbyns alternative to the deal? A general election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, fatolive said: don't blame him, wouldnt mind one myself Lets bring whoever that is in to sort out Brexit. I'm sure she'd have a calming effect and be far better than Corbyn and May. At least PMQ's would instantly find 100 times more viewers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, boltondiver said: A general election I think he should be careful what he wishes for. He may get one soon but will not win. Even if he did then the ticking time bomb parcel is passed to him - good luck with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Wow - so the full legal advice is absolutely damning. And May has mislead the country on this. From the legal advice: Despite statements that it is not intended to be permanent…in international law the protocol would endure indefinitely until a superseding agreement took its place.....does not provide a mechanism that is likely to enable the UK lawfully to exit the UK wide customs Union without a subsequent agreement. This remains the case even if parties are still negotiating many years later Also says the backstop is a "political decision". None of this was made clear at all. In fact the fact that international law would mean we would be stuck in there indefinitely was deliberately obfuscated. So again this is over the issue with Ireland , which nobody seems to have an answer for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: I think he should be careful what he wishes for. He may get one soon but will not win. Even if he did then the ticking time bomb parcel is passed to him - good luck with that. He hasn’t quite thought it through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 5, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, boltondiver said: He hasn’t quite thought it through The president's brain is missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: The president's brain is missing. Wrong thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted December 5, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2018 48 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Wow - so the full legal advice is absolutely damning. And May has mislead the country on this. From the legal advice: Despite statements that it is not intended to be permanent…in international law the protocol would endure indefinitely until a superseding agreement took its place.....does not provide a mechanism that is likely to enable the UK lawfully to exit the UK wide customs Union without a subsequent agreement. This remains the case even if parties are still negotiating many years later Also says the backstop is a "political decision". None of this was made clear at all. In fact the fact that international law would mean we would be stuck in there indefinitely was deliberately obfuscated. Nonsense. There's nothing in the legal advice that wasn't already revealed in the Withdrawal Agreement. The oddest thing about all this is why the Government were so willing to act in contempt of Parliament to keep it hidden. Bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, Cheese said: Nonsense. There's nothing in the legal advice that wasn't already revealed in the Withdrawal Agreement. The oddest thing about all this is why the Government were so willing to act in contempt of Parliament to keep it hidden. Bizarre. Theresa is a strange being Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said: He wants a Norway model...though depends which day of the week you ask.....but broadly a Norway model.... I’m presuming the Norway model has socialist foundations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, gonzo said: I’m presuming the Norway model has socialist foundations? Oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, gonzo said: I’m presuming the Norway model has socialist foundations? No. Its simply membership of the EEA (and in some form the CU). That is what Corbyn proposes (on a Tuesday at least). Its essentially the only deal that could come close to meeting Labour's 6 tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 hours ago, gonzo said: Just for clarity what actually is Jez Corbyns alternative to the deal? Have your cake and eat it basically, it doesn’t take into account the red lines laid out by the EU It’s as far fetched as anything Boris has come up with But again, it’s easy offering a position when you don’t have to go and deliver it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: No. Its simply membership of the EEA (and in some form the CU). That is what Corbyn proposes (on a Tuesday at least). Its essentially the only deal that could come close to meeting Labour's 6 tests. Does anyone know how much it costs Norway for this membership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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