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33 minutes ago, green genie said:

Why? It's the two (three if you are lucky) at sea that are the deterrent not the one i've stood underneath in 5 Basin Devonport.

 

17 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I don't understand that Cheese. 

Why do you figure they would no longer be a deterrent? 

Because their effectivity relies on them not taking an extra week to return to dock when they have a maintenance issue. Our nuclear deterrent operates on an exteremely fine line as it is. It doesn't matter.

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3 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Brilliant pics those, only time i travelled on the MSC was with a trip from junior school from Liverpool to Manc in 64, the whole journey was an hive of activity with all the industry in the big towns alongside the canal.

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8 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

Nuclear deterrents are bollocks anyway

No one is pressing the button that means the end of the world so to speak

Why would putin, for example, press the button if it meant one came right back at him

That's the entire point.

I can highly recommend the book "The Bomb" by Fred Kaplan. It is terrifying but explains in great detail how we got to this position, and how we can, unfortunately, never go back.

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1 minute ago, ZicoKelly said:

Nuclear deterrents are bollocks anyway

No one is pressing the button that means the end of the world so to speak

Why would putin, for example, press the button if it meant one came right back at him

But surely that’s why ours; and every other nuclear super power IS a deterrent. If only Russia had them then they’d face no deterrent.

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6 minutes ago, leigh white said:

Brilliant pics those, only time i travelled on the MSC was with a trip from junior school from Liverpool to Manc in 64, the whole journey was an hive of activity with all the industry in the big towns alongside the canal.

Just tried to pm you but it says you can't receive messages.

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9 minutes ago, MickyD said:

But surely that’s why ours; and every other nuclear super power IS a deterrent. If only Russia had them then they’d face no deterrent.

That’s cheese‘s point Micky. We have to have them because others do. If we don’t we are a sitting duck. 

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14 minutes ago, MickyD said:

But surely that’s why ours; and every other nuclear super power IS a deterrent. If only Russia had them then they’d face no deterrent.

But its stalemate

Which is why everyone should stop pumping billions into nuclear deterrents and spend it on something more worthwhile like pandemic prevention

Bill Gates had it right, it'll be a virus and not nuclear war that wipes us all out

Everyone should agree to stand down, and just keep a couple of missiles spare pointed at North Korea, just in case

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4 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

But its stalemate

Which is why everyone should stop pumping millions into nuclear deterrents and spend it on something more worthwhile like pandemic prevention

Bill Gates had it right, it'll be a virus and not nuclear war that wipes us all out

Everyone should agree to stand down, and just keep a couple of missiles spare pointed at North Korea, just in case

Obviously, but that's never going to happen. Eternal Stalemate is better than the alternative.

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1 minute ago, ZicoKelly said:

But its stalemate

Which is why everyone should stop pumping millions into nuclear deterrents and spend it on something more worthwhile like pandemic prevention

Bill Gates had it right, it'll be a virus and not nuclear war that wipes us all out

Everyone should agree to stand down, and just keep a couple of missiles spare pointed at North Korea, just in case

You're right, they should.

However, given Putin behaviour with chemical weapons in recent times, no one could trust Russia. 

North korea and Iran don't give a cause for optimism either.

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29 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Obviously, but that's never going to happen. Eternal Stalemate is better than the alternative.

Aye

Then again

The alternative, imo, will never happen

What a fucking waste of money

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4 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

Aye

Then again

The alternative, imo, will never happen

What a fucking waste of money

Chicken and egg I suppose. Too late now though. Even recent History is chock full of people who didn't think certain things could ever happen to them.

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Just now, ZicoKelly said:

Aye

The same can be said for most of the issues our planet and the human race faces

Indeed. 9/11 is already a distant memory. Something like that could never happen today, could it? Meanwhile, there are Concenration Camps in China...

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7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Indeed. 9/11 is already a distant memory. Something like that could never happen today, could it? Meanwhile, there are Concenration Camps in China...

And in the grand scheme of things why should we give a fuck as most of us will be dead within 50 years

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