bwfcfan5 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: Bercow announces that it is unlikely that a 3rd meaningful vote will take place. What that means for Brexit on 29th March or a longer delay into the next parliamentary session remains to be seen There will be ways around it. But makes it a bit trickier. However, whilst Bercow (who I like) is merely reinforcing the rules - given the position we are in I find this a dangerous intervention. He will argue that he had no choice after being asked to do so by MPs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: There will be ways around it. But makes it a bit trickier. However, whilst Bercow (who I like) is merely reinforcing the rules - given the position we are in I find this a dangerous intervention. He will argue that he had no choice after being asked to do so by MPs.... Bercow must read WW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: There will be ways around it. But makes it a bit trickier. However, whilst Bercow (who I like) is merely reinforcing the rules - given the position we are in I find this a dangerous intervention. He will argue that he had no choice after being asked to do so by MPs.... He did give himself some wriggle room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted March 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 18, 2019 Bercow is absolutely right in this regard and I applaud his conviction for following accepted house norms and not allowing TM to ride roughshod over process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: He did give himself some wriggle room But I saw that as wriggle room to say no unless she gets something significantly new from the EU..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: But I saw that as wriggle room to say no unless she gets something significantly new from the EU..... Which she as now failed twice in doing such a thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: But I saw that as wriggle room to say no unless she gets something significantly new from the EU..... Though it makes No Deal more likely i cannot see the Gvt opting for anything but a lengthy extension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Just now, Salford Trotter said: Though it makes No Deal more likely i cannot see the Gvt opting for anything but a lengthy extension I respect Bercow - he's trying to stop parliament being bullied by the executive. But I worry that there are potential consequences beyond the stupid house of fools to this intervention....and that worries me..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said: Which she as now failed twice in doing such a thing She has failed because a remain parliament has weakened her hand in an attempt to over turn the referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: She has failed because a remain parliament has weakened her hand in an attempt to over turn the referendum. She's failed because we already asked for the deal the EU said "OK" then we said "actually we don't want that". Has nothing to do with a "remain parliament". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: She has failed because a remain parliament has weakened her hand in an attempt to over turn the referendum. no she weaken her hand by having a GE, but lets re-write history again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: She's failed because we already asked for the deal the EU said "OK" then we said "actually we don't want that". Has nothing to do with a "remain parliament". Government asked for it and parliament blocked it. Therefore parliament is to blame. If the backstop was removed remainers would still vote against it. The blame lies with a remain parliament. Edited March 18, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Parliament said that. Therefore parliament is to blame. If the backstop was removed remainers would still vote against it. The blame lies with a remain parliament. There is a majority for the deal if all the ERG and DUP vote for it even with the hardcore 6 Tory remainers voting against. So all Brexiteers needed to do was vote for Brexit. They've had two chances. And blown them both. Not very good are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: There is a majority for the deal if all the ERG and DUP vote for it even with the hardcore 6 Tory remainers voting against. So all Brexiteers needed to do was vote for Brexit. They've had two chances. And blown them both. Not very good are they? Tell me that if we leave on 29th without a deal, the DUP and ERG will get what they wanted. Edited March 18, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 37 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: She has failed because a remain parliament has weakened her hand in an attempt to over turn the referendum. 32 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said: no she weaken her hand by having a GE, but lets re-write history again Yep. Entirely self inflicted this shitstorm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I should have snapped up 5-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Yep. Entirely self inflicted this shitstorm Same can be said about remainers, if we drop out without a deal, remainers should have voted for Mays softer WA. Oh I do hope we drop out on the 29th and remainers will have played a big part in that if it happens. Edited March 18, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Same can be said about remainers, if we drop out without a deal, remainers should have voted for Mays softer WA. Oh I do hope we drop out on the 29th and remainers will have played a big part in that if it happens. Erm....crash out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said: I respect Bercow - he's trying to stop parliament being bullied by the executive. But I worry that there are potential consequences beyond the stupid house of fools to this intervention....and that worries me..... Bercow, as I'm sure you know, is accusing of bullying staff in significant numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) Bercows decision might force the EU to make a proper amendment to the WA. Otherwise its looking like a no deal is becoming more likely. Has bercow thought it through? it seems a win win for leavers. Edited March 18, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted March 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 18, 2019 How’s it all going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 47 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Bercows decision might force the EU to make a proper amendment to the WA. Otherwise its looking like a no deal is becoming more likely. Has bercow thought it through? it seems a win win for leavers. Keeping the evening free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: Same can be said about remainers, if we drop out without a deal, remainers should have voted for Mays softer WA. Oh I do hope we drop out on the 29th and remainers will have played a big part in that if it happens. Are you sure? How will we cope. If we "crash" out with a "no-deal Brexit" won't we all be sitting in caves cracking stones together for heat and light on March 30th? I mean look at that barbarian 90 per cent of the world that eeks a living outside the EU day in and day out. If you're outside the EU's tarriff wall and regulatory regime, you're out of civilisation. Didn't you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Spider said: How’s it all going? We are just about to play that hand which we've been keeping close to our chests, watch this space when we put our grubby paws the massive pot in the middle of the table , or maybe not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Spider said: How’s it all going? As predicted. Just need to leave on the 29th so we can negotiate sensibly for a change. Edited March 18, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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