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1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

Well that road was probably funded by the EU if it's the heads of the valley so fair enough I say.

Funded by the EU?

where does the EU get it’s money from?

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19 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Funded by the EU?

where does the EU get it’s money from?

There are ten net contributor countries with the UK being the 3rd behind Germany and France so take your pick

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36 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Funded by the EU?

where does the EU get it’s money from?

As farrelli has posted many times, it's not a question of where it comes from, it's that Wales gets a cracking deal, receiving monies way beyond it would ever get from london

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16 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

There are ten net contributor countries with the UK being the 3rd behind Germany and France so take your pick

Surely not

France and Germany pay more in than us?

Not a chance

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No wonder the French want to leave if they're paying for a road in Wales. 

 

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Scotland, Wales and NI are net receivers of EU grants, England is not

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9 hours ago, Casino said:

As farrelli has posted many times, it's not a question of where it comes from, it's that Wales gets a cracking deal, receiving monies way beyond it would ever get from london

But Wales still voted to leave

Smart them Welsh

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3 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

Scotland, Wales and NI are net receivers of EU grants, England is not

EU structural funding benefits the poorest regions of the UK - including the NE of England, Yorkshire, Lancashire and the Midlands. It does not offer much for the South East. 

The problem being that once you take that money away it will be up to our government to match the distribution And we all know there isn't a cat in hells chance of that happening. Especially as the Tories completely abandoned Blairs regional development fund. 

 

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1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

But Wales still voted to leave

Smart them Welsh

They were lied to. As was the rest of the country. 

 

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17 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

But Wales still voted to leave

Smart them Welsh

A bit like the North East then. They could live to regret that too if the assessments that the NE will be hit hardest post brexit are correct

Edited by Salford Trotter

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10 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

They were lied to. As was the rest of the country. 

 

Quality. You're not really a trained negotiator are you?

Deny everything you don't agree with as a lie.

Refer to everyone who holds a different view as thick etc etc.

Continually offer nothing but negative reasoning.

By the fuck, I can imagine some poor fucker on a roof. Within a minute or two of negotiations, he'd have jumped.

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10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Quality. You're not really a trained negotiator are you?

Deny everything you don't agree with as a lie.

Refer to everyone who holds a different view as thick etc etc.

Continually offer nothing but negative reasoning.

By the fuck, I can imagine some poor fucker on a roof. Within a minute or two of negotiations, he'd have jumped.

It isn't about different views. It is a fact that the poorest areas of the country will be economically hit hardest by Brexit, unless our government radically redistributes its budget. 

That isn't an "opinion". 

So far the government haven't come close to promising anything like EU structural funding amounts for the regions. 

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3 hours ago, darwen_white said:

 

No wonder the French want to leave . 

 

Do they want to leave?

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33 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

They were lied to. As was the rest of the country. 

 

Standard nonsense.

Both sides lied, but we were all conned on the way in.

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My mum voted to leave. She was suckered in by clips of Guy Verhofstadt that her sister sent her, the EU laws we supposedly had foisted on us and how we pay all this money in for nothing in return.

When I gave here an alternative opinion or an explanation she was surprised. She reads the Daily Mail, no surprise.

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10 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Standard nonsense.

Both sides lied, but we were all conned on the way in.

Conned? Our economic performance since joining has been infinitely better than before joined. We've enjoyed huge success in the EU.

That is a fact.

Now we're leaving because people have been told that a) we'll be better off out of it (a lie) and once that lie couldn't hold anyway were told b) that even though we'll be worse off it will be worth it because we can make our own laws (a truth hiding a lie).

 

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1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

But Wales still voted to leave

Smart them Welsh

I watched local debates at the time and was amazed myself.

Sadly many people bought the bullshit about immigration and other stuff from the leave campaign.

 

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1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said:

It isn't about different views. It is a fact that the poorest areas of the country will be economically hit hardest by Brexit, unless our government radically redistributes its budget. 

That isn't an "opinion". 

So far the government haven't come close to promising anything like EU structural funding amounts for the regions. 

Very true.

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40 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Conned? Our economic performance since joining has been infinitely better than before joined. We've enjoyed huge success in the EU.

That is a fact.

Now we're leaving because people have been told that a) we'll be better off out of it (a lie) and once that lie couldn't hold anyway were told b) that even though we'll be worse off it will be worth it because we can make our own laws (a truth hiding a lie).

 

Do you wear a long black cape, a black pointed hood and carry a big scythe?

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10 hours ago, Casino said:

As farrelli has posted many times, it's not a question of where it comes from, it's that Wales gets a cracking deal, receiving monies way beyond it would ever get from london

In a nutshell.

We wil have some nice roads and buildings to remember from the good times.

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This thread has started to eat itself - we’ve been through structural and match funding in Wales 12 months ago, to which the response was it’s just doom-mongering and that the government  will cover the costs from what we ‘save’ from being out of the EU.

Nothing has changed, entrenchment has got worse if anything. Personally I try not to comment on this thread because it has become a looped conversation. It’s interesting to see it play out though.

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1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

This thread has started to eat itself - we’ve been through structural and match funding in Wales 12 months ago, to which the response was it’s just doom-mongering and that the government  will cover the costs from what we ‘save’ from being out of the EU.

Nothing has changed, entrenchment has got worse if anything. Personally I try not to comment on this thread because it has become a looped conversation. It’s interesting to see it play out though.

You're right and I'm as guilty as anyone admittedly.

That is the crux of the whole thing really.

Whatever the outcome, poorer areas like the valleys, North East, etc will bear the brunt of it & London will be ok.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

It isn't about different views. It is a fact that the poorest areas of the country will be economically hit hardest by Brexit, unless our government radically redistributes its budget. 

That isn't an "opinion". 

So far the government haven't come close to promising anything like EU structural funding amounts for the regions. 

‘That isn’t an ‘opinion’?  It’s exactly YOUR ‘opinion ‘

‘It’s a fact that the poorest areas of the country will be economically hit hardest by Brexit’ who said? That cannot be proved factually 

When we stop wasting £150mill a week for nothing along with the rest of our contribution the ELECTED U.K. Government can spend that money on anything it likes, elect a Government that will look after the hardest hit areas, we can do that ourselves we don’t need ‘fairy godfathers’ in Brussels 

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4 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

‘That isn’t an ‘opinion’?  It’s exactly YOUR ‘opinion ‘

‘It’s a fact that the poorest areas of the country will be economically hit hardest by Brexit’ who said? That cannot be proved factually 

When we stop wasting £150mill a week for nothing along with the rest of our contribution the ELECTED U.K. Government can spend that money on anything it likes, elect a Government that will look after the hardest hit areas, we can do that ourselves we don’t need ‘fairy godfathers’ in Brussels 

Are you telling me that the regional distribution of EU structural funding isn't a fact? Or that the government commitment so far does not replace that funding in the regions is not a fact?

Whats also a fact is that our GDP reduction since the Brexit vote alone is way more than £150M a week.

Perhaps you should take into account that we paid £150M a week for market access that enhanced our economic performance and access to a huge number of external trade deals that did likewise. We will easily have saved way more than our contribution had we not voted to leave. 

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