Sweep Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Winchester White said: That is utter nonsense. Labour wants to align closer to the EU than Mays WA. Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Moon boy said: ‘Tory Brexiteers blocking the WA’ the TM deal was and is a surrender treaty that’s why it didn’t pass 3 times, it’s staying in the EU indefinitely, the biggest laugh is the biggest Remain party, Labour, didn’t vote for it See you are parroting the language of Cummings - "surrender deal" - is absolutely nonsense. This isn't a war. Yet you're using language fed by extremists. And it proves my point perfectly. The WA was simply a compromise that protected the EU's SM and upheld the GFA. The fact Brexiteers did not consider the implications and then didn't like the result is neither here nor there. International law is real. International trading rules are real. And to call it a "surrender treaty" is the language of sheep fed by a dangerous and extremist propaganda machine. Let us not forget Boris voted for it. And he had a perfectly good choice not to. But chose to vote for it. We're not at war or in conflict with the EU. The fact many don't seem to comprehend this shows exactly how they've been so terribly manipulated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 10, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said: Take your head out of Brexit propaganda and look up at the sky! Which bit of putting the referendum result into law don't you understand? Once done, it was binding, you div. Just as the current law making Boris ask for a delay is binding. If you've got a first class degree, you should be able to understand that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: See you are parroting the language of Cummings - "surrender deal" - is absolutely nonsense. This isn't a war. Yet you're using language fed by extremists. And it proves my point perfectly. The WA was simply a compromise that protected the EU's SM and upheld the GFA. The fact Brexiteers did not consider the implications and then didn't like the result is neither here nor there. International law is real. International trading rules are real. And to call it a "surrender treaty" is the language of sheep fed by a dangerous and extremist propaganda machine. Let us not forget Boris voted for it. And he had a perfectly good choice not to. But chose to vote for it. We're not at war or in conflict with the EU. The fact many don't seem to comprehend this shows exactly how they've been so terribly manipulated. ‘This isn’t a war’, I didn’t say that you did Its a surrender document from the point of view that if we were to sign TM’s WA, the U.K. would lose full control of the freedom to elect our own Leaders and the ability to make and change our own laws controlling the laws that effect us As for trying to take the moral high ground re animosity shown to the opposing side of the argument, see ‘stop the coup’ demo’s, Remain MP’s throwing their toys out of the pram in Parliament, calling the Prime Minister a liar and a cheat, not to mention the fucking Remain loon outside Parliament shouting over everyone The EU are NOT our friends, they are out to shaft us for as much €’s as possible and give us as little say in that as possible The people who live in Europe are just the same as us with the same problems and I have no problem with them on any level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Moon boy said: ‘This isn’t a war’, I didn’t say that you did Its a surrender document from the point of view that if we were to sign TM’s WA, the U.K. would lose full control of the freedom to elect our own Leaders and the ability to make and change our own laws controlling the laws that effect us As for trying to take the moral high ground re animosity shown to the opposing side of the argument, see ‘stop the coup’ demo’s, Remain MP’s throwing their toys out of the pram in Parliament, calling the Prime Minister a liar and a cheat, not to mention the fucking Remain loon outside Parliament shouting over everyone The EU are NOT our friends, they are out to shaft us for as much €’s as possible and give us as little say in that as possible The people who live in Europe are just the same as us with the same problems and I have no problem with them on any level Perhaps you could explain how we would lose full control of the freedom to elect our own leaders...who will be electing them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Which bit of putting the referendum result into law don't you understand? Once done, it was binding, you div. Just as the current law making Boris ask for a delay is binding. If you've got a first class degree, you should be able to understand that. The A50 timeline was binding - though clearly open to extensions. But as a court determined we can still opt to unilaterally withdraw from A50. I'm not really sure your point. At no point was it ever binding to "accept no deal". Or to accept "any deal presented to parliament". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 10, 2019 Moderators Share Posted September 10, 2019 56 minutes ago, Winchester White said: That is utter nonsense. Labour wants to align closer to the EU than Mays WA. The Labour idea of brexit is one I could vote for Only a mad man could think the EU would offer such a brexit But plenty had a crazy idea we would get a good deal, so why not dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, Casino said: The Labour idea of brexit is one I could vote for Only a mad man could think the EU would offer such a brexit But plenty had a crazy idea we would get a good deal, so why not dream The Labour frontbench's - not even sure its an idea. But backbenchers like Benn have proposed workable options such as EEA - EFTA etc...that might have been a temporary compromise position and limited damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 10, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Ani said: Going Rotherham Saturday should be a direct train from Leeds. Am I allowed to decide to drive if rail works mean the journey is a nightmare ? Best post EVER on this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Ani said: Going Rotherham Saturday should be a direct train from Leeds. Am I allowed to decide to drive if rail works mean the journey is a nightmare ? Are you mad? You’ve committed to rail travel. If there are no trains you have to walk. Barefoot. Over broken glass and dogshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Ani said: Going Rotherham Saturday should be a direct train from Leeds. Am I allowed to decide to drive if rail works mean the journey is a nightmare ? So yonks ago you signed up to something. And now you want to know if you could leave this arrangement, and go it another way ? I can't see why not, assuming of course that the rail company allow you to, and those you are travelling with are not the type that really, really want to stay in the BR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 10, 2019 Moderators Share Posted September 10, 2019 I'm not sure the rail company have a say in it They said itd be a nice comfy direct train Instead, it turns out it's a northern rail, bag of shite Definite breach of contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 It was direct. Some despicable vandals caused the disruption and derailing of the train to satisfy their own ends not in the best interest of the passengers it is those who your argument should be with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 10, 2019 Moderators Share Posted September 10, 2019 The vandals only wrecked things when they realised what they had been sold, they weren't going to get Tbf, they were numb as fcuk in ever believing it, but even so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 10, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2019 Vandals with crystal balls. Who'd have thought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) You see I see it differently. The train was going and the vandals didn’t want it to get there so that the passengers could see what it was like. Thus they derailed the train using underhand measures despite the majority of people on the train wanting to get to the final destination. Unfortunately democracy and the views of the majority of people did not count for enough. Edited September 10, 2019 by Escobarp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 So the debate becomes about who is to blame. But the only question is if there is a different outcome than I expected can I change the way I get there. I am not suggesting not going just that I want to choose the best way of getting there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 10, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ani said: So the debate becomes about who is to blame. But the only question is if there is a different outcome than I expected can I change the way I get there. I am not suggesting not going just that I want to choose the best way of getting there. Whichever has fewest people trying to stop you getting there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 42 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Vandals with crystal balls. Who'd have thought? They had been with the train company over forty years though and had forged a great partnership (fifth most successful in the world). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said: Perhaps you could explain how we would lose full control of the freedom to elect our own leaders...who will be electing them? At this moment while the EU are still bleeding us I can’t recall getting a voting card to elect our ultimate EU leaders The Leaders, recently appointed a few months ago, Ursula, Christine and some other blokes we’ve never heard off where not elected by us or anyone else in Europe Does that explain how we lose ‘full control’? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Moon boy said: At this moment while the EU are still bleeding us I can’t recall getting a voting card to elect our ultimate EU leaders The Leaders, recently appointed a few months ago, Ursula, Christine and some other blokes we’ve never heard off where not elected by us or anyone else in Europe Does that explain how we lose ‘full control’? Well explained, but he still won’t understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 32 minutes ago, Ani said: So the debate becomes about who is to blame. But the only question is if there is a different outcome than I expected can I change the way I get there. I am not suggesting not going just that I want to choose the best way of getting there. I agree but we don’t know the outcome or what the destination looks like yet. Would you turn around from a journey half way there and head back home cos someone told you it was going to be shit or would you carry on and see for yourself ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: I agree but we don’t know the outcome or what the destination looks like yet. Would you turn around from a journey half way there and head back home cos someone told you it was going to be shit or would you carry on and see for yourself ? Especially if that someone was, for example, Jeremy Corbyn, Bercow, Mandelsohn, Blair etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 What do Labour/Momentum want? not an election not Brexit but, what? interesting article; https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/ten-days-that-will-shake-the-united-kingdom/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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