Moderators Casino Posted January 10, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 10, 2019 Seems his internet has gone down.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 10, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, Kane57 said: Ken's fault that I can't read Good lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Kane57 said: Ken's fault that I can't read Not just you. The antika brigade are in full swing wanking eachother into a frenzy over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Semantics. Does no one see the irony in his explanation for the £525 fee he paid himself ( that was widely questioned) was a ‘bonus’ and yet he still hasn’t paid his manager his bonus for last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Do we know he still hasn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Boby Brno said: Semantics. Does no one see the irony in his explanation for the £525 fee he paid himself ( that was widely questioned) was a ‘bonus’ and yet he still hasn’t paid his manager his bonus for last season? Did PP get his promotion bonus? different year, different cash flow problems Not anywhere close to irony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Boby Brno said: Semantics. Does no one see the irony in his explanation for the £525 fee he paid himself ( that was widely questioned) was a ‘bonus’ and yet he still hasn’t paid his manager his bonus for last season? Maybe he had the money last season (Madine sale perhaps?) and didn't have enough this year until recently? Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 10, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, Sluffy said: It still doesn't answer the question whether that money was used to pay off Holdsworth rather than be put in his back pocket for him to piss it up the proverbial wall as the vast majority of people believe. Also note it is paid in respect of two years and not £525,000 per year as many, many have been saying. Fuck me It doesn't matter what he did with the money he paid himself, the fact is he paid himself And the point is on more than one occasion he said he didn't pay himself a wage as if to make it clear he was not receiving any monetary reward for the job he was doing And now it turns out it's a fee which included a bonus! It's in the accounts for 2016/17, so it's a fee over the course of a year, because it spread over two years doesn't mean it's 260k a year, it's not 24 calendar months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrener Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Parkys been on a bonus since October, the bonus being he's still got a job when he should have been on the dole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 10, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Fuck me It doesn't matter what he did with the money he paid himself, the fact is he paid himself And the point is on more than one occasion he said he didn't pay himself a wage as if to make it clear he was not receiving any monetary reward for the job he was doing And now it turns out it's a fee which included a bonus! It's in the accounts for 2016/17, so it's a fee over the course of a year, because it spread over two years doesn't mean it's 260k a year, it's not 24 calendar months Seems reasonable. Can debate amounts; but saying one thing initially, then saying something else now- just adds to the mistrust and gives more fire to the likes of the daily mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 10, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Biganddaft said: So he had enough money to pay himself a bonus last year but sadly he didn't have enough to pay the actual people who kept us up, sorry stinks The bonus due to KA on promotion was paid We dont know the bonus due to PP on promotion wasnt paid These are the facts We don't know about any other bonuses that KA may have paid himself Edited January 10, 2019 by Casino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 10, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: Seems reasonable. Can debate amounts; but saying one thing initially, then saying something else now- just adds to the mistrust and gives more fire to the likes of the daily mail. Not really, cos they are already claiming he pays himself 500 whatever a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Biganddaft said: So he had enough money to pay himself a bonus last year but sadly he didn't have enough to pay the actual people who kept us up, sorry stinks For fuck sake it was not last year it was the year before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakey Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 32 minutes ago, Sluffy said: Ok, I made the comment because of your 40 posts so far half a dozen or so have already been pointed in my direction, most of which seemingly having a pop at me. I'm more than happy to have a virtual handshake with you and move on.(1) For what it is worth I've never been pro or anti Ken (2), but just someone who has tried to understand what's going on by trying to match what little facts we have with what was being said by others (ST and Iles in particular) , rather than follow the crowd that seem to take their every word said as gospel. Seems by simply doing that I've been marked down by more than a few as a big pro Ken supporter. Holbrook speaking in respect of Iles and Bonner has admitted stated that they should have kept their emotions to themselves when reporting and also that they may have made mistakes with what they have said - fair play to him. The ST's agenda against KA is widely known although many didn't see it from the beginning. I also may have been wrong on my reasonings from some of the stuff I've posted - but it's certainly not been done because I've brought emotion into it, nor have any hidden agenda. As I've already posted earlier on today in this thread, needs must in business sometimes and that KA is neither a saint nor the Devil but somewhere in between. If you see that as an obvious man-crush then fair enough but I think we both know it isn't. If it means anything at all, I always rated you highly as a poster and someone who could make people smile with your humour. You would certainly make a great addition to this site if you decided to stick around, hope you do. (No man-crush on you intended) (3). (1) works for me (subject to 3 below) (2) oooo, you fibber. Your posts do come across as very pro-Ken / anti-ST / anti-Iles. (3) save it for Ken - he comes across as a bit vindictive, and we wouldn't want him getting jealous. And "no wakey do" would be a really shit T-shirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, wakey said: (1) works for me (subject to 3 below) (2) oooo, you fibber. Your posts do come across as very pro-Ken / anti-ST / anti-Iles. (3) save it for Ken - he comes across as a bit vindictive, and we wouldn't want him getting jealous. And "no wakey do" would be a really shit T-shirt 2 - No I'm not fibbing. I comment as I see things based on the facts or knowledge I have at the time. I've certainly commented on how I believe the ST as a public body has acted in a way not compatible at times to how I understand one should act, I've similarly stated many times that Iles was acting unprofessionally in what he was posting on his own Twitter account - and I believe Holbrook's comments have since back that up, and I've said above my position on KA - up to you whether you believe that or not. As for 1, I'm more than happy to make a fresh start and for 3, at my time in life I'm much to be old to be having crushes on anyone or thing - regrettably! Edited January 10, 2019 by Sluffy spelling error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Take Hunt Off Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 When alls said & done only one person can decide which way this whole fiasco is going to end & thats Ken good or bad right or wrong he has some skin in the game so heres hoping he doesnt completely come off the rails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 10, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, Casino said: Not really, cos they are already claiming he pays himself 500 whatever a year That sort of makes my point. That fella yesterday published an inaccurate piece. Now this. On top of the BN. Too much inaccuracy. Just wish he would stop with the smoke and mirrors and give them no ammo. I sometimes wonder if he enjoys the "game". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 10, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: That sort of makes my point. That fella yesterday published an inaccurate piece. Now this. On top of the BN. Too much inaccuracy. Just wish he would stop with the smoke and mirrors and give them no ammo. I sometimes wonder if he enjoys the "game". It's just him trying to ingratiate himself with the fans by making up stuff to sound good Keeps happening, keeps turning out to be bollocks His other tactic is going out his way to make folk look bad to make himself look better Our very own Donald Trump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Biganddaft said: So me getting the date wrong needs a "for fucks sake" calm the fuck down Look not my fault you are hard of reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 10, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: It's just him trying to ingratiate himself with the fans by making up stuff to sound good Keeps happening, keeps turning out to be bollocks His other tactic is going out his way to make folk look bad to make himself look better Our very own Donald Trump Agree entirely. He's very good. I've thought for a while how much some of this is Trump like. I've really wanted to get behind him, despite the concerns from the beginning. Plenty of good argument to say he has done well, but it seems cracks are appearing. I really hope I'm wrong, but it worries me what might be revealed later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 10, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Biganddaft said: Can I ask why you always seem to be excusing him? 1 I don't think there's a better option than him 2 I get pissed off when folk go off on a rant when they are quite clearly not grasping the limited facts that we have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 10, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2019 I’ve given up. Ken clearly has lost the plot. For me, his downfall has been his decision to engage with the fans. sometimes, it’s just better to say fuck all. The real problem is that we could stay in this comical limbo for years. I just want us to beat Bristol. Anything else is now a sideshow that will do its own thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazl1212 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, jules_darby said: Won’t stop the cunts moaning and making up reasons tone pissed off Oh and Keith Twatting Andrews can do one n all. Yes he can, shit signings like him, on daft contracts are why we're in the shit in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Fuck me It doesn't matter what he did with the money he paid himself, the fact is he paid himself And the point is on more than one occasion he said he didn't pay himself a wage as if to make it clear he was not receiving any monetary reward for the job he was doing And now it turns out it's a fee which included a bonus! It's in the accounts for 2016/17, so it's a fee over the course of a year, because it spread over two years doesn't mean it's 260k a year, it's not 24 calendar months To be pedantic he is correct in saying he's not paid himself a wage - he paid himself as a consultant - the difference being if he paid himself a wage the club would have had to had shouldered the employers tax burden, which instead was passed on to KA's company. Ok it probably was deliberately misleading but not actually a lie (weasel words maybe) and fwiw better for the club to have been paid that way. You are correct that the accounts are for a twelve month period but KA clear states the payment was for consultancy for 2016 and 2017 and as such I assume he was shown as a creditor of the club in the 2015/16 accounts with settlement in full for both the two financial years falling in the 2016/17 accounts. Therefore it certain doesn't imply that he's taken a further half million as most people believe for 2017/18 and 2018/19 financial years as many people clearly believe he has (we won't know either way until the accounts are published in due course). I'm not trying to be an apologist for KA but merely trying to give a reasoned explanation of what was said about these points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said: It's just him trying to ingratiate himself with the fans by making up stuff to sound good Keeps happening, keeps turning out to be bollocks His other tactic is going out his way to make folk look bad to make himself look better Our very own Donald Trump The Trump comparison is depressingly accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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