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40 minutes ago, Kane57 said:

There's a lad at Forest Green who has been banging them in

1 in 17.

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1 hour ago, Casino said:

Vince said the following...ish

Anderson said on Wednesday he would pay on Thursday

He didn't

I recalled Doidge, Anderson is a cnut

 

Now, one question

Why would Anderson have said he would pay the next day...does it not seem odd

Next week, next month, but next day

What's the point

Why not have the fcuk you, you're getting nowt conversation at that stage

I don't know or claim to know but that seemed strange

 

 

It's not the first (or second, or third) occasion Ken has stalled for time and set deadlines he doesn't keep.

Vince has done a lot of interviews today, but on the FGR website his timeline goes as follows.

A payment was supposed happen on Wednesday when the deal was to become permanent. He checked in with the club on Tuesday and got a less than convincing reply that all was in hand. No payment happened on Wednesday. He says he then spent the next two days talking to Ken and reached a new agreement "to accomodate us", before Ken reneged again and dared him to try and bankrupt us etc.

My thing is, presumably the club know when the EFL payments are coming in and plan accordingly. Ken makes out like it just happens randomly at some point in the month.

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Two owners fall out over the time of payments and the next thing we know our club is in turmoil.  What bothers me is some of our supporters believing the first person who speaks is the honest one, well that sometimes is not the case, why should  KA join in the childish antics of the FGR hierarchy, usually the first to speak is the dummy spitter not getting everything his own way.   Well done KA for laughing at his ‘don’t care how, I want it now’ demands, I wouldn’t like to be treated like that either.

KA seems more relaxed than anyone about this,  I’ve heard his side of the stories now before commenting and feel better about the situation, it’s just a shame it’s escalated into all this

I’m not going to let this ruin my week.   Chill out chaps.

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1 hour ago, Breightmet Boy said:

Two owners fall out over the time of payments and the next thing we know our club is in turmoil.  What bothers me is some of our supporters believing the first person who speaks is the honest one, well that sometimes is not the case, why should  KA join in the childish antics of the FGR hierarchy, usually the first to speak is the dummy spitter not getting everything his own way.   Well done KA for laughing at his ‘don’t care how, I want it now’ demands, I wouldn’t like to be treated like that either.

KA seems more relaxed than anyone about this,  I’ve heard his side of the stories now before commenting and feel better about the situation, it’s just a shame it’s escalated into all this

I’m not going to let this ruin my week.   Chill out chaps.

Your in danger at trivialising it a bit, it’s a complete shit show 

Players are going back because we can’t afford to pay what Ken said we would, I’m not sure I can recall players going back in this way before 

As has been said before these public spats are all too common, a list as long as your arm from Heathcoats to Forest Green, The Bolton News to Karl Henry 

Relationships breaking down left right and centre and the only common denominator is Ken. Perhaps he is hard done to and he has been wronged by all of them. Perhaps instead he’s in the wrong and his just full of wind and piss 

Hes had the benefit of the doubt for three years now, given what he inherited (as he keeps remind us), however this Doidge Deal is all of his own making so it’s on him 

Perhaps he will leave bags of shit like this deal lying around for the next owner / chairman 

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Ken takes a punt on an ok goal scorer from the lower leagues.

player not good enough, hardly cost a penny for the trial.

Good business?

Orher clubs might not fall for it, mind.

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1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

Ken takes a punt on an ok goal scorer from the lower leagues.

player not good enough, hardly cost a penny for the trial.

Good business?

Orher clubs might not fall for it, mind.

Pretty much how I see it.

The lad scores 1 in 17 and goes back. Ken's going to need a return of more like 17 in 17 to stump up the cash - and that would be so he could sell him on.

Other clubs won't fall for it, FGR have been gullible.

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1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

Ken takes a punt on an ok goal scorer from the lower leagues.

player not good enough, hardly cost a penny for the trial.

Good business?

Orher clubs might not fall for it, mind.

And Matthews is going back because? Norwich and FGR are chasing us for unpaid money because?

We are in a complete registration embargo because?

The mental gymnastics some on here are doing to try and pretend Ken is ‘ok’ against an absolute mountain of contrary evidence now, a mountain that is growing daily, is unbelievable to me. 

Does anyone seriouslt think a club like Forest Green Rovers would loan their best player to championship sides without receiving any fee for half a season and whilst paying the players wages in full? Does anyone seriously and honestly think that was the deal? 

Those that do, do you also think Norwich are lying? And Matthews and Doidge and the EFL? That’s before we even get onto the massive list of people who all accuse Ken of failing to pay up. 

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32 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

I wish we could just be a normal football club again.

Bingo. Thread closed

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8 hours ago, Casino said:

He's not answered the allegation re, shut it down I don't give a fcuk That's the grimmest thing I've heard in this sorry mess but on the other hand, I've said shit in rows that is all bravado They're both less than popular in their business dealings from what I can gather

Ken has just run into someone with as much Bravado as him (I can confirm your Yeovil comments as family are YTFC fans - STHs).  

If the FGR guy wanted his money, he could have waited 1 week and got it paid directly by the EFL (secured football debt) as confirmed by a couple of L1 chairmen..  Then the same in summer if the next clause was triggered (surely payments were based on avoiding relegation - doubtful and x-number of goals - doubtful).

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So wev'e no money everyone knows. Parky and Ken realise what a lot of supporters have seen Doidge isn't Championship standard, so lets pay money we haven't got and sign a striker on a 3 year deal that can't hack it, or pull out of the deal. not maybe what's accepted but what's good for the club. While it may not be the accepted way of doing things  in FGR carrot munching vegan do goody world, welcome to slippery Sweaty's world were he his looking after his own money and the clubs. Same with Matthews, do we really need a goalie that has hardly played when we have young keepers at the club that can do the same job. 

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8 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

And I’d suggest you explain how many people successfully win a case when they claim a verbal agreement has superseded a written one when the other party denies such verbal agreements.

Good luck with that.

Also why were FGR paying his wages? And Norwich paying their two? Clearly not what was agreed. 

Its clear Ken is talking a load of nonsense. 

 

 

Look, the thing is, I don't have to explain anything to you as I'm not the one rattling off hysterical nonsense. If you have something to add to the conversation, that is fine - we are all allowed opinions. What bothers me is the way you portray things as factual or even dismiss previous discussion that is directly addressing your points and explaining the reasoning as to why they wrong.

Take the last paragraph for instance. It has already been succinctly explained that the CONTRACT OF EMPLOYMENT lies between the parent club (EMPLOYER) and the player (EMPLOYEE). The LOAN CONTRACT is between the parent club (LENDER) and BWFC (LOANEE). You are talking about separate contracts and separate issues. 

I'll make your life a little easier this morning by letting you in on a little fact. A verbal agreement under English law is LEGALLY BINDING. There are complication to verbal agreements, such as difficulty in legal settlement due to the ambiguity that may arise if the parties disagree. Now I would presume that Ken is more than aware of this, being the slippery fella that he is. But that is his prerogative. 

Whether he is acting illegally time will tell. Immorally, well that depends where you stand - most would agree it is immoral BUT perhaps, just perhaps, this is the only hand he has to play with.

By the way, I'd personally suggest the figure of success is much higher than you anticipate given the hundreds of years of development on English contract law that enshrine the legality of verbal agreements. Whether they hit court or there is an out of court settlement is another matter. May be Ken has hit a brick wall with this £100 millionaire swampy who will call his bluff? No one knows yet.

Now the factual part is out of the way, which I fully anticipate you will ignore - at the end of the day Kenneth MAY or MAY NOT be bang to rights. We've heard one side of the story on one particular issue which inevitably will be used to further one sides cause. I suspect FGR will quieten down a bit sooner or later as it seems to me that he is treading a fine line on what he is saying about Ken Andersen. 

As far as Norwich goes, we have had a statement from a journalist with a very sketchy track record saying we owe money to Norwich City for loaned players. Factually correct that may be. At a guess, I'm sure plenty of people on here owe "substantial six figure sums" to lenders for their mortgages. Personally, I prefer to know a little more before I bundle plenty of complex issues together and start spouting hysterical misinformed statements.

Just ask yourself one question though. In these past three years, how many times has Ken passed the threshold with one of these suppliers in a legal context? He is sailing very close to the wind, granted, but that is - rightly or wrongly - his style. That may well change in the coming weeks / months but to say he hasn't done anything for the Club or moved us on from the liquidation hearing, to my mind, is baffling. To say he is in it for personal gain, to me, is so obvious that is needn't be written down. Of course he is in it for himself, you would have to be a basket case to take on BWFC for charitable purposes.

 

(Apologies to the WW faithful for a post of Sluffyesque proportion and rant over)

Edited by Boothy

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Aye your right 

It's 'his style' 

His style is piss poor so fuck him 

He's also signed us up to a huge amount of money that we can't afford for a player that's nowhere near good enough. So on top of being a cunt he's proving to be much less shrewed than has been claimed 

I appreciate he wants out as much as anyone, let's hope that time comes sooner rather than later so we are spared the public disagreements between the club and pretty much everyone the club has dealings with 

Edited by birch-chorley

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And your conclusion on whether KA is good or bad for BWFC is? 

You don’t have to answer

Edited by Moon boy

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4 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Aye your right 

It's 'his style' 

His style is piss poor so fuck him 

He's also signed us up to a huge amount of money that we can't afford for a player that's nowhere near good enough. So on top of being a cunt he's proving to be much less shrewed than has been claimed 

I appreciate he wants out as much as anyone, let's hope that time comes sooner rather than later so we are spared the public disagreements between the club and pretty much everyone the club has dealings with 

 

Isn't his style what people have an issue with? So it's fair to discuss it objectively. The main arguments against the bloke are about is shady way of doing business. If he had £20 million to put in, he'd still be a cunt but people would absolutely lap it up. That's how moralistic people really are.

Emboldened part of your post may or may not be factually correct, not quite sure how a few posts on Twitter have allowed you to conclude all that, apart from him being a cunt.

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8 hours ago, Werder barmen said:

Are people on Twitter really considering going to FGR? ](*,)

If everyone on twitter who says they are going to FGR actually went to reebok, I dont think our atendances would be far short of Kens magical 20k

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9 minutes ago, bwfc2003 said:

If everyone on twitter who says they are going to FGR actually went to reebok, I dont think our atendances would be far short of Kens magical 20k

Most of them will have had to google Forest Green, as they've never heard of a town with that name.

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1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said:

And Matthews is going back because? Norwich and FGR are chasing us for unpaid money because?

We are in a complete registration embargo because?

The mental gymnastics some on here are doing to try and pretend Ken is ‘ok’ against an absolute mountain of contrary evidence now, a mountain that is growing daily, is unbelievable to me. 

Does anyone seriouslt think a club like Forest Green Rovers would loan their best player to championship sides without receiving any fee for half a season and whilst paying the players wages in full? Does anyone seriously and honestly think that was the deal? 

Those that do, do you also think Norwich are lying? And Matthews and Doidge and the EFL? That’s before we even get onto the massive list of people who all accuse Ken of failing to pay up. 

I just don’t care any more

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15 minutes ago, bwfc2003 said:

If everyone on twitter who says they are going to FGR actually went to reebok, I dont think our atendances would be far short of Kens magical 20k

Anyone going watching Bury in the cotswolds should be shot on sight if they ever think of walking through the turnstiles of BWFC again. 

FACT. 

 

Ken said in his last Q&A his style is brinkmanship, he will let it go right to the wire to get what he can. I think this is what's happened here. 3 players going back who have been bang average. 

It's not an ethical business style and he's still a sweaty slippery character but I'm not that arsed about losing the players. Hand on heart (forgetting the embarrassing situation etc.) is anyone else? 

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Forest Green are away at Oldham on Saturday, not even Bolton fans in Gloustershire will be going to their home game.

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43 minutes ago, Boothy said:

 

Isn't his style what people have an issue with? So it's fair to discuss it objectively. The main arguments against the bloke are about is shady way of doing business. If he had £20 million to put in, he'd still be a cunt but people would absolutely lap it up. That's how moralistic people really are.

Emboldened part of your post may or may not be factually correct, not quite sure how a few posts on Twitter have allowed you to conclude all that, apart from him being a cunt.

I’m basing it off the comments Ken has made about the number of instalments die to FGR 

Chalk it up and your looking at £500k - £750k by the looks of it 

Given we couldn’t pay the Tea lady a couple of months later I’d say that makes him about as shrewd as the person who gave Ben Amos a huge whopping contract a few months before we went into court on a winding up order 

Ken’s not shut up about the mess he inherited and how he’s tried to balance the books, he then goes and signs us up to this deal 

If we didn’t have the money then fair enough, sign someone we can afford or promote the kid who’s gone to Accy on loan 

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It was quoted at the time as 800k

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I suspect ken expected higher attendances and therefore a couple more £100k in the bank. 

He was probably banking on us having someone to sell in January aswell.

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PG was probably banking on us getting back into the PL when he made the deals he did 

Hasn’t stopped Ken continually Piss and moan about the mess he inherited and all the legacy contracts 

Ken is three years in now, most of the agreements currently live are of his making. If he is signing players with his fingers crossed that someone might buy Josh Vela to pay for it then he’s as bad as the previous regime that he continually complains about 

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1 hour ago, Boothy said:

 

Look, the thing is, I don't have to explain anything to you as I'm not the one rattling off hysterical nonsense. If you have something to add to the conversation, that is fine - we are all allowed opinions. What bothers me is the way you portray things as factual or even dismiss previous discussion that is directly addressing your points and explaining the reasoning as to why they wrong.

Take the last paragraph for instance. It has already been succinctly explained that the CONTRACT OF EMPLOYMENT lies between the parent club (EMPLOYER) and the player (EMPLOYEE). The LOAN CONTRACT is between the parent club (LENDER) and BWFC (LOANEE). You are talking about separate contracts and separate issues. 

I'll make your life a little easier this morning by letting you in on a little fact. A verbal agreement under English law is LEGALLY BINDING. There are complication to verbal agreements, such as difficulty in legal settlement due to the ambiguity that may arise if the parties disagree. Now I would presume that Ken is more than aware of this, being the slippery fella that he is. But that is his prerogative. 

Whether he is acting illegally time will tell. Immorally, well that depends where you stand - most would agree it is immoral BUT perhaps, just perhaps, this is the only hand he has to play with.

By the way, I'd personally suggest the figure of success is much higher than you anticipate given the hundreds of years of development on English contract law that enshrine the legality of verbal agreements. Whether they hit court or there is an out of court settlement is another matter. May be Ken has hit a brick wall with this £100 millionaire swampy who will call his bluff? No one knows yet.

Now the factual part is out of the way, which I fully anticipate you will ignore - at the end of the day Kenneth MAY or MAY NOT be bang to rights. We've heard one side of the story on one particular issue which inevitably will be used to further one sides cause. I suspect FGR will quieten down a bit sooner or later as it seems to me that he is treading a fine line on what he is saying about Ken Andersen. 

As far as Norwich goes, we have had a statement from a journalist with a very sketchy track record saying we owe money to Norwich City for loaned players. Factually correct that may be. At a guess, I'm sure plenty of people on here owe "substantial six figure sums" to lenders for their mortgages. Personally, I prefer to know a little more before I bundle plenty of complex issues together and start spouting hysterical misinformed statements.

Just ask yourself one question though. In these past three years, how many times has Ken passed the threshold with one of these suppliers in a legal context? He is sailing very close to the wind, granted, but that is - rightly or wrongly - his style. That may well change in the coming weeks / months but to say he hasn't done anything for the Club or moved us on from the liquidation hearing, to my mind, is baffling. To say he is in it for personal gain, to me, is so obvious that is needn't be written down. Of course he is in it for himself, you would have to be a basket case to take on BWFC for charitable purposes.

 

(Apologies to the WW faithful for a post of Sluffyesque proportion and rant over)

1) I'm not talking about the mechanics of how a wage is transferred into a players account. I'm stating that there is no way on earth FGR signed up to Doidge coming here whilst they covered his wages. No way. Same with the Norwich pair.

2) You haven't answered, why,, we have been placed in a complete registration embargo? 

 

I've been supportive of Ken up until the past month or so. But the fact that a player he has gone on the record as saying "is 100% a BWFC player" has now returned to his parent club after we failed to pay and we find out said club have been covering his wages for 4 months...it just isn't good enough. Ken signed him. He either is incompetent or simply trying to repeatedly pull a fast one. Either way - my patience has been exhausted. He's not being honest with anyone. And there are too many all saying exactly the same thing now. We owe money to our own management team, to ex players, to other clubs, and god knows who else. I had a lot of sympathy when he was sorting the mess, cutting the costs....but now we aren't able to honour contracts he has signed himself...sorry but that is it for me. And I find it hard to see how anyone can realistically defend him over this and the other debacles taking place. 

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