Sweaty Ken

[Marc505]

This tactic of never conceding anything, always going on the attack seems very Trump-esque, for a non expert like me, is this a well known business tool?

[Spider]

7 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

This tactic of never conceding anything, always going on the attack seems very Trump-esque, for a non expert like me, is this a well known business tool?

Yep

Every MD I've ever dealt with is pretty much the same. Shoot first etc..

Without knowing the intimate details (like everyone else), I'd say there's no money, and he's trying to seel the club asap but there are very few (if any) realistic buyers.

I could be way off with that though. It seems far fetched.

[Traf]

7 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

This tactic of never conceding anything, always going on the attack seems very Trump-esque, for a non expert like me, is this a well known business tool?

Seems to be the way forward nowadays

[Sluffy]

6 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

They think he's putting it in his own pocket, that what they think

And they've been led to believe that by Iles and his tweets, who himself has been led to believe that from his mates in the ST.

If you want a more impartial and 'forensic' view of the accounts (particularly the £525,000 consultancy fees) from someone who actually does know how to 'follow the money' you might want to spend some time reading this post over on Nuts.

http://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk/t18213p450-ken-anderson-update#380322

[Marc505]

4 minutes ago, Spider said:

Yep

Every MD I've ever dealt with is pretty much the same. Shoot first etc..

Without knowing the intimate details (like everyone else), I'd say there's no money, and he's trying to seel the club asap but there are very few (if any) realistic buyers.

I could be way off with that though. It seems far fetched.

As said above, it takes some neck! 

It's plain to see there's no money. I want this sorry episode in our history over with, I guess I could be put in the "Anderson Out" camp, but caveated with knowing he's also done a lot of good for  us, he's not going to just "go", and I'm sure if he could sell us he would.

I'm just bored of it. It wouldn't be so bad if we were just shit and plodding around looking for a win here and there, which can't we just be shit and normal?

[tyldesley_white]

7 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

And they've been led to believe that by Iles and his tweets, who himself has been led to believe that from his mates in the ST.

If you want a more impartial and 'forensic' view of the accounts (particularly the £525,000 consultancy fees) from someone who actually does know how to 'follow the money' you might want to spend some time reading this post over on Nuts.

http://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk/t18213p450-ken-anderson-update#380322

I really don't want more I'm in the Casino camp, we don't have the money, and KA is spinning plates until money comes in , when that is I don't know but KA as given the hint that its January when we get another lump sum

[Sluffy]

1 minute ago, tyldesley_white said:

I really don't want more I'm in the Casino camp, we don't have the money, and KA is spinning plates until money comes in , when that is I don't know but KA as given the hint that its January when we get another lump sum

The link is to do with the £525,000 consultancy fee the likes of Iles and the ST have made out that Anderson has paid himself as 'wages' - which is where a great deal of the 'hatred' from many fans towards Anderson seems to be generated from?

The analysis - and it is indeed complicated - clearly leads to an opinion that the money was used to broker a deal for Holdsworth to step aside and let KA deal with the BM loan.

The several links shown to Companies House documents clearly show that an 'unsecured' creditor (BM) was after over £8 million from Holdsworth (remember the clubs assets were at risk because of the security Holdsworth had put up!) and that in the end they settled for less than £5 million because of Anderson's intervention.

The links show that following on from Anderson's £525,000 consultancy payment, Holdsworth two (non trading?) businesses (apart from SSBWFC) suddenly had come into money - with the inference that it was used to pay off Holdsworth and his various legal actions, in order for Anderson to sort out the mess from the BM debacle.

So far from Iles implying that KA was taking 'excessive' wages from the club (14th highest by a club director in the country that year - or something like that iirc) the more likely scenario was that he took nothing (or relatively little) and used the money instead to ultimately remove Holdsworth's spurious legal claims in order to deal with and finally resolve the BM issue/threat.

I think it is telling that people who must clearly have been in the know of what was going on with Holdsworth and Anderson, such as Davies and probably James and Warburton, all backed KA and non of them Holdsworth - funny that don't you think?

Strange then is it not that the clubs football correspondent seems to be completely unaware of the couple of hundred thousand  pound or so net 'windfall' his mate Deano seemed to have been fortunate of, as per the Companies House records that are in the public domain, sometime after KA received this £525,000 consultancy fee that Iles and the ST clearly imply (and stir the pot!) Anderson had pocketed for himself!

KA is certainly not nearly as black as some would want to paint him, nor Holdsworth as white as the driven snow.

 

[Spider]

Sluffy

That's all great (seriously), but the TwitterTards can't read more than 50 words at once without needing some Monster energy drink, a vape and a lie down.

They want a headline that says KEN IS A CUNT BECAUSE SOMEONE I FOLLOW ON TWITTER SAYS SO

That way, they can spunk their hatred all over the internet without the hassle of facts getting in the way

Ask them to be specific, and they just call you a racist, or something like that.

[Sluffy]

4 minutes ago, Spider said:

Sluffy

That's all great (seriously), but the TwitterTards can't read more than 50 words at once without needing some Monster energy drink, a vape and a lie down.

They want a headline that says KEN IS A CUNT BECAUSE SOMEONE I FOLLOW ON TWITTER SAYS SO

That way, they can spunk their hatred all over the internet without the hassle of facts getting in the way

Ask them to be specific, and they just call you a racist, or something like that.

Thank you Spider, I understand that.

I don't engage with them on social media for that very reason - in fact I don't do Facebook and only view Twitter for breaking news stories.

I however try to add to informed discussions on here and Nuts just to give back something as my contribution to enjoying reading both the sites.

I was brought up to give as well as take in life and since I got too old and frail to attend matches anymore I've always wanted in some small way to contribute to whatever forum I was on at the time, where I could read the views and opinions of those that still did go.

I don't really post much unless I think I've got something to add to a thread and I know I've got an old fashioned way about me where I still try to give reasons for what I say, which does up my word count so much so at times that people don't wish to read my posts - their choice of course.

I don't post to be popular nor controversial, I simply try my best to understand what is happening and give reasoned, alternative views when I think some people may be openminded enough to accept things might not always be the way they have been led to believe.

I'm neither pro nor anti Anderson, just like I was neither pro or anti the Supporters Trust previously - I simply commented on how I applied the facts (and where relevant my knowledge) and explain why I do not necessarily go along with the majority view, and why. 

Personally I think it is wrong (certainly unprofessional in my opinion) for someone such as Iles, who clearly has a personal 'influence' over those who know even less than he does on certain subjects to tweet/retweet/like comments such as on the clubs financial issues.  His personal views and his professional writing for the Bolton News should be kept completely separate from each other.  How can he be impartial in what he writes for the paper who pays him, when he clearly shows a personal bias on his social media tweets?

Maybe if he reads my last post above and actually seeks someone not associated with the ST (or anti-Anderson) to give him impartial advice then maybe he won't be so quick to believe (and lead others to believe to) that Anderson pocketed the 'Consultancy' payment for his own pocket - as a for instance.

I don't hold out too much hope though as I understand the way many of todays generation are and act on social media, as per your excellent explanation above.

Nevertheless though I'll still try to continue to reason out the best I can what is going on from the information we know, even though I'm out of step with those who prefer to shoot first (and these days not even bothering to ask questions afterwards!).

As I say it's my little way of giving something back, not that I think it will change much by me doing so.

I would also like to give great credit to the author of the original post on Nuts who clearly is also is old school like me and would rather follow the facts than the hype and agenda of others.

Onwards and upwards!

 

[tomski]

1 hour ago, Sluffy said:

The link is to do with the £525,000 consultancy fee the likes of Iles and the ST have made out that Anderson has paid himself as 'wages' - which is where a great deal of the 'hatred' from many fans towards Anderson seems to be generated from?

The analysis - and it is indeed complicated - clearly leads to an opinion that the money was used to broker a deal for Holdsworth to step aside and let KA deal with the BM loan.

The several links shown to Companies House documents clearly show that an 'unsecured' creditor (BM) was after over £8 million from Holdsworth (remember the clubs assets were at risk because of the security Holdsworth had put up!) and that in the end they settled for less than £5 million because of Anderson's intervention.

The links show that following on from Anderson's £525,000 consultancy payment, Holdsworth two (non trading?) businesses (apart from SSBWFC) suddenly had come into money - with the inference that it was used to pay off Holdsworth and his various legal actions, in order for Anderson to sort out the mess from the BM debacle.

So far from Iles implying that KA was taking 'excessive' wages from the club (14th highest by a club director in the country that year - or something like that iirc) the more likely scenario was that he took nothing (or relatively little) and used the money instead to ultimately remove Holdsworth's spurious legal claims in order to deal with and finally resolve the BM issue/threat.

I think it is telling that people who must clearly have been in the know of what was going on with Holdsworth and Anderson, such as Davies and probably James and Warburton, all backed KA and non of them Holdsworth - funny that don't you think?

Strange then is it not that the clubs football correspondent seems to be completely unaware of the couple of hundred thousand  pound or so net 'windfall' his mate Deano seemed to have been fortunate of, as per the Companies House records that are in the public domain, sometime after KA received this £525,000 consultancy fee that Iles and the ST clearly imply (and stir the pot!) Anderson had pocketed for himself!

KA is certainly not nearly as black as some would want to paint him, nor Holdsworth as white as the driven snow.

 

KA is not nearly as black as some would make out? What more does he need to do ha. For the record I’m no Deano lover either

[gonzo]

Sluffy Id really love it if you took Marc Iles and his gang on tonight. 

 

[gonzo]

This sounds a bit shit.

Edited December 10, 2018 by gonzo

[tomski]

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

This sounds a bit shit.

It is. We are just racking up debt not clearing as I think we were all hoping

[Casino]

Or maybe as he says, we will receive a lump of cash in January and then we are back on an even keel

[gonzo]

9 minutes ago, Casino said:

Or maybe as he says, we will receive a lump of cash in January and then we are back on an even keel

Now now Cassie. Rational thinking is not a allowed. 

 

[Sluffy]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Sluffy Id really love it if you took Marc Iles and his gang on tonight. 

 

What's the point even trying?

I'd just be wasting my time.

They've already made their minds up about things and no facts or logic from me, or anyone else, will change that.

I do like 'sayings' though, you know like "the blind leading the blind" and "there's non so blind that those who will not see", both of which could apply here but the one I would choose for Iles particularly when he tweets about the clubs pasts accounts is "better remain silent and thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt"!

But then again what would he care what I think.

 

[Casino]

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Now now Cassie. Rational thinking is not a allowed. 

 

I'm hoping these issues are nothing new and as we were previously told, Eddie was able to act as an overdraft when cash dried up

[Kane57]

19 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

What's the point even trying?

I'd just be wasting my time.

They've already made their minds up about things and no facts or logic from me, or anyone else, will change that.

I do like 'sayings' though, you know like "the blind leading the blind" and "there's non so blind that those who will not see", both of which could apply here but the one I would choose for Iles particularly when he tweets about the clubs pasts accounts is "better remain silent and thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt"!

But then again what would he care what I think.

 

 

It's like rain on your wedding day

[tomski]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

Or maybe as he says, we will receive a lump of cash in January and then we are back on an even keel

I hope you are right. I suspect I am though. I think some folk are a bit far entrenched in whose side they are on etc

[Casino]

Yes, you are  

 

seriously, there seems to be little understanding that the cash position could change massively in January

It's a fact that the EFL monies are staged

Ken says January is one of those stages

Last year, Eddie was the overdraft facility

This year, he's not

[tomski]

26 minutes ago, Casino said:

Yes, you are  

 

seriously, there seems to be little understanding that the cash position could change massively in January

It's a fact that the EFL monies are staged

Ken says January is one of those stages

Last year, Eddie was the overdraft facility

This year, he's not

I think I’m fairly balanced on this. My problem is ken says a lot. Delivers a lot less. 

 

Like Ken I say though I hope you are right and I’m wrong

[Leyther_Matt]

1 minute ago, tomski said:

I think I’m fairly balanced on this. My problem is ken says a lot. Delivers a lot less. 

 

Like Ken I say though I hope you are right and I’m wrong

Dangerously low expectations I suppose, but for me KA is delivering every week that we remain in business at the minute. 

[Duck Egg]

33 minutes ago, Casino said:

Yes, you are  

 

seriously, there seems to be little understanding that the cash position could change massively in January

It's a fact that the EFL monies are staged

Ken says January is one of those stages

Last year, Eddie was the overdraft facility

This year, he's not

Do we know when in January? Things seem so hand to mouth, week to week at the moment, if it's late January when payment comes through it could be too late with regard to the transfer window? 

[Casino]

No idea

Maybe our local journo would be well advised finding out, the utter cock

As for the window, I don't see any incoming

 

[Zico]

Probably be 2 outgoing, O'Neill and Ireland, if they're out of contract

Be surprised if the latter gets an extension

(Unless there's an agent's fee)