Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 16, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2018 Well done Sajid Javid. About time and what a disgrace it led to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deane koontz Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Yep. It was ridiculous. A bit of common sense will go far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) One of those stories that seems unbelievable at first. Links back to the discussion a while back about making cannabis legal - at least for medicinal purposes (and hemp as a plastic replacement - although I'd go the whole hog) As someone said yesterday, if he was in severe pain the NHS would (may) prescribe morphine - an illegal drug that some can get addicted to and high from (heaven forbid) Our drug laws/attitudes are in the last century. Hopefully this case might make folk take a step back and think Edited June 17, 2018 by madthatter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 17, 2018 Author Site Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2018 Morphine isn't illegal medically. Sorry but this case isn't like the case for legalising cannabis. It's the active ingredient prepared and prescribed according to medical need. Bit like Fleming with his penicillin. I know we have discussed the possibility of legalising cannabis and that's fair enough and if mps are confusing the two situations then more fool them; but it's not a difficult case to make for folk like this kid or ms sufferers where doctors think the treatment is relevant and appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Morphine isn't illegal medically. Sorry but this case isn't like the case for legalising cannabis. It's the active ingredient prepared and prescribed according to medical need. Bit like Fleming with his penicillin. I know we have discussed the possibility of legalising cannabis and that's fair enough and if mps are confusing the two situations then more fool them; but it's not a difficult case to make for folk like this kid or ms sufferers where doctors think the treatment is relevant and appropriate. That was my point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 18, 2018 Author Site Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2018 That was my point When you described it as an illegal drug I thought you meant it, in the same way as thc is currently over here both medically and recreationally. Watching one of these medical programs a while back and apparently morphine can become addicted to within a matter of a few hours once administered. Didn't realise just how strong it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 When you described it as an illegal drug I thought you meant it, in the same way as thc is currently over here both medically and recreationally. Watching one of these medical programs a while back and apparently morphine can become addicted to within a matter of a few hours once administered. Didn't realise just how strong it is. I do tend to waffle! I was once offered some of the herbal variety of morphine, shall we say. After an initial feeling of nauseousnes, and rather embarrassing soiling of a chai hut, it was rather nice. Can't say I've ever been tempted or inclined to seek a similar experience though. The opiate based pain killers I take for my hip and back though . . . combined with a strong anti-inflammatory give me a right rush - can't take them at work because of it and could see how one could easily become addicted to them. Of course, that's fine as they're legal and approved by those who profit know better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 The drug companies won’t want cannabis legalised medicinally. You can go and get prescribed the optiate based tramdol at the doctors in 3 seconds flat yet someone has MS isn’t allowed stuff you can grow in your own back garden. It’s fucked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 The drug companies won’t want cannabis legalised medicinally. You can go and get prescribed the optiate based tramdol at the doctors in 3 seconds flat yet someone has MS isn’t allowed stuff you can grow in your own back garden. It’s fucked up. This is the rub - but the amount of influence they have over the policy creators is likely to be very, very high. (or vested interests, take your pick) It's also not something most politicians will want to be seen to be pushing (Brian Iddon was an exception - met him once, as it happens) From any sort of moral ground it's plain bananas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 18, 2018 Author Site Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2018 The stuff the lad is taking is the extract as you know. In the case of him he will need accurately dosed amounts which would have to be produced by a drug company. I'm sure I heard one such small company owner a while back talking about how he produces a small amount for markets somewhere overseas. If it was legalised medicinally there may be more interest in it commercially. Obviously ms sufferers who want to smoke the basic leaf/resin may be a bit annoyed if they still can't do legally, but perhaps they may be able to be prescribed the thc legally which would help. I'm sure as more research is done and a greater understanding of how thc works medically for certain conditions then it will become more accepted. The legalisation of cannabis is still a separate issue as we talked about on the other thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 The stuff the lad is taking is the extract as you know. In the case of him he will need accurately dosed amounts which would have to be produced by a drug company. I'm sure I heard one such small company owner a while back talking about how he produces a small amount for markets somewhere overseas. If it was legalised medicinally there may be more interest in it commercially. Obviously ms sufferers who want to smoke the basic leaf/resin may be a bit annoyed if they still can't do legally, but perhaps they may be able to be prescribed the thc legally which would help. I'm sure as more research is done and a greater understanding of how thc works medically for certain conditions then it will become more accepted. The legalisation of cannabis is still a separate issue as we talked about on the other thread. Just saw on News that Gov are discussing the benefits of medical Mary Jane. Re that last bit - I always assumed if it ever gets legalised it will go down this route first, ensuring the Gov/drug companies have full control. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing but can imagine a situation where you're not able to grow a plant for free but have to buy the same stuff, albeit processed and refined, from large drug companies. I blame the EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 18, 2018 Author Site Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2018 Aye. Seems that stuff is moving on. Good. Just a thought for you; a cannabis plant once grew in my garden from some scattered bird seed. Might be worth a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 The drug companies won’t want cannabis legalised medicinally. Depends what you mean? Cannabinoids are being looked at for a wide variety of medical conditions A new drug is about to be launched (or may have been already) in epilepsy. Young kids can suffer really badly from Lennox-Gastaut Syndrome or Dravet Syndrome. These are truly horrific diseases and cannabinoids look quite promising. Cannabinoids are not what "Billy Two Cans" from Number 6 has growing in his loft. They don't contain any THC or very little at least Not really sure what Billy Caldwell's mother was bringing in but there is a massive difference between "medicinal cannabis extracts" and THC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 18, 2018 Moderators Share Posted June 18, 2018 I love it when we get some facts Cheers MW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 19, 2018 Author Site Supporter Share Posted June 19, 2018 Depends what you mean? Cannabinoids are being looked at for a wide variety of medical conditions A new drug is about to be launched (or may have been already) in epilepsy. Young kids can suffer really badly from Lennox-Gastaut Syndrome or Dravet Syndrome. These are truly horrific diseases and cannabinoids look quite promising. Cannabinoids are not what "Billy Two Cans" from Number 6 has growing in his loft. They don't contain any THC or very little at least Not really sure what Billy Caldwell's mother was bringing in but there is a massive difference between "medicinal cannabis extracts" and THC Early in the reporting of the case the BBC did mention thc being used. Could well have been a mistake I suppose. You're dead right about the medicines; very different from the basic plant. Plenty of medicines are derived from plants etc but that doesn't mean you can just eat or smoke them for the same effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 It’s just been legalised across the board in Canada Great work ???????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 21, 2018 Author Site Supporter Share Posted June 21, 2018 I had the 'pleasure' of visiting the wife's cousin recently in a less than reputable my post code. Just bought a house there and I'd gone to spray some knotweed. The next door neighbours were all lined up on the pavement smoking weed as we came out to leave. Now I understand where you're coming from gonzo but what about kids in the area continually being exposed to this. The passive exposure may be limited but the normalisation of it is concerning. As we have learned the problems of smoking in general is this a step backwards? Perhaps we'll see in due course in Canada how effective this is. Up to 8 plants each iirc. Still have my doubts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted June 21, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted June 21, 2018 It doesn't burn on its own does it? Thought you always had to add baccy? Unless you make cakes out of it of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 It doesn't burn on its own does it? Thought you always had to add baccy? Unless you make cakes out of it of course I haven't used them but in Holland/Dam they now have vapourisers (I think the US as well) that burns the hash/herb without any need for tobacco. Saw a program on it a while back - they say it is more effective, wastes less and is 'better for you' - without the baccy, obvs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) I had the 'pleasure' of visiting the wife's cousin recently in a less than reputable my post code. Just bought a house there and I'd gone to spray some knotweed. The next door neighbours were all lined up on the pavement smoking weed as we came out to leave. Now I understand where you're coming from gonzo but what about kids in the area continually being exposed to this. The passive exposure may be limited but the normalisation of it is concerning. As we have learned the problems of smoking in general is this a step backwards? Perhaps we'll see in due course in Canada how effective this is. Up to 8 plants each iirc. Still have my doubts. That's trampy as - you wouldn't would you!? Make it legal and you can have designated places for it - not hard, and sanctions/fines for abusing. Is it any worse than necking a load of tins in the front street though? Edited June 21, 2018 by madthatter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 21, 2018 Author Site Supporter Share Posted June 21, 2018 Designated areas makes sense. The difference between smoking (anything) and boozing is that when passing you don't inadvertently imbibe someone else's ale. You do with smoking, however small the amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Designated areas makes sense. The difference between smoking (anything) and boozing is that when passing you don't inadvertently imbibe someone else's ale. You do with smoking, however small the amount. Fair point but if you're outside its effects from passive inhalation are going to be negligible surely? I meant more the role model aspect. I'm trying to bin the fags off (rarely smoke more than three a day) and not once has my lad seen me smoke - wouldn't want him too either. That said I'm happy for him to see me sup ale and admire my whisky collection . . . (I even let him have a bit on his gums when teething - much to Mrs' horror! Be reet and did me no harm ha ha!) Odd really isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I love it when we get some facts Cheers MW Only one letter doesn't appear in any US state name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Only one letter doesn't appear in any US state name Q ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) Q ? Well played, Sir! That's a fact! Edited June 21, 2018 by madthatter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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