bwfcfan5 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 the 96/97 team was the best i have ever seen. best team we have had , that include sam's era Best team we’ve had that got relegated the next season... Not even close to Big Sams teams in their pomp. Todd wasn’t great. Had a great set of players but couldn’t keep them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 4, 2018 Moderators Share Posted September 4, 2018 Todd relegated a team that shouldve stayed up so cant be top 3, surely He was unfortunate in that it was on goal difference and a points tally that would keep you up far more often than not We've been promoted since and will be again but I doubt I'll see a team as dominant as that one And he played a big part in the Rioch era, far more than your average assistant manager He's in my top 3 but I started going in Phil Neals last season anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites man Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Those who played as Bolton on Champ Man 2001 will appreciate the job Allardyce did in keeping us up that first Premiership season. I was always sacked before Christmas and can’t remember winning a game and as I later took Yeovil Town from the Conference to the Premiership was no slouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Those who played as Bolton on Champ Man 2001 will appreciate the job Allardyce did in keeping us up that first Premiership season. I was always sacked before Christmas and can’t remember winning a game and as I later took Yeovil Town from the Conference to the Premiership was no slouch. You just needed the right tactic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWFC_LOVE Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Those who played as Bolton on Champ Man 2001 will appreciate the job Allardyce did in keeping us up that first Premiership season. I was always sacked before Christmas and can’t remember winning a game and as I later took Yeovil Town from the Conference to the Premiership was no slouch. I struggled for several seasons, but managed to win the league after ten. My brother did it in two. Balls to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Didn’t mind Todd But that team shouldn’t of got relegated and had enough quality to go up following season but no show against Watford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfc2003 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 No way sam doesn’t make anyone’s top 3 no matter how old you are. Apart from the bitter and twisted members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyoneawalker Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Head Allardyce Heart Rioch and if we had the chance to appoint one again it’d be heart ruling head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 He was unfortunate in that it was on goal difference and a points tally that would keep you up far more often than not We've been promoted since and will be again but I doubt I'll see a team as dominant as that one And he played a big part in the Rioch era, far more than your average assistant manager He's in my top 3 but I started going in Phil Neals last season anyway Unfortunate? Nah. He had a good group of players should never have come close. I don't really get the Todd love in. He seemingly gets away with the 95/6 season because McFarland takes all the blame. Bit of a stretch but whatever. Then sure, the following season he assembles a great side and takes them up convincingly. No issue. But as a relegated side with money and keeping the majority of our squad together it probably is what should have happened. Following season he spends a lot of money for Bolton but fails to keep us up. Certainly a better manager would have kept that team up no trouble, Next season he has arguably an even better team yet fails to take them up. Having spent loads of money and failed two seasons in a row the club is in financial difficulty and in danger of going out of business. They sell players at the start of the following season and Todd walks out...having made that mess he walks. Allardyce comes in and on a fraction of the money takes us up the next season and keeps us there, long term. Certainly didn't have what Todd got to spend. Todd is way down the list for me. Certainly below Parky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Bottom 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Bottom 3? Not that far down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) Bottom 3? You could make a case for the 3 prior to PP being bottom 3! Edited September 5, 2018 by jayjayoghani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 You could make a case for the 3 prior to PP being bottom 3! You couldn't. Because inspite of the fact he was a dick, Megson was demonstrably superior to "take the positives" Sammy Lee for a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) Unfortunate? Nah. He had a good group of players should never have come close. I don't really get the Todd love in. He seemingly gets away with the 95/6 season because McFarland takes all the blame. Bit of a stretch but whatever. Then sure, the following season he assembles a great side and takes them up convincingly. No issue. But as a relegated side with money and keeping the majority of our squad together it probably is what should have happened. Following season he spends a lot of money for Bolton but fails to keep us up. Certainly a better manager would have kept that team up no trouble, Next season he has arguably an even better team yet fails to take them up. Having spent loads of money and failed two seasons in a row the club is in financial difficulty and in danger of going out of business. They sell players at the start of the following season and Todd walks out...having made that mess he walks. Allardyce comes in and on a fraction of the money takes us up the next season and keeps us there, long term. Certainly didn't have what Todd got to spend. Todd is way down the list for me. Certainly below Parky. Gets away with what in 96? That team should’ve been relegated by Xmas. We’d lost our best players and mcginaly wasn’t good enough. He did well to make a small fist of it imo. We had our best ever season the season after. 9 times out of ten we stay up the season after that. Highest points total to go down at the time and an offside goal v Leeds from stopping up, never mind the Everton stuff. Granted it was the silly run without a win that caused it to go that close. I don’t think a play off final the following season is a bad return. Not his fault Gudjohnson missed a gazillion chances before they put us to bed. For that championship winning season alone he makes my top 3 anyway. Edited September 5, 2018 by gonzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Sammy Lee was a joke appointment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Gets away with what in 96? That team should’ve been relegated by Xmas. We’d lost our best players and mcginaly wasn’t good enough. He did well to make a small fist of it imo. We had our best ever season the season after. 9 times out of ten we stay up the season after that. Highest points total to go down at the time and an offside goal v Leeds from stopping up, never mind the Everton stuff. Granted it was the silly run without a win that caused it to go that close. I don’t think a play off final the following season is a bad return. Not his fault Gudjohnson missed a gazillion chances before they put us to bed. For that championship winning season alone he makes my top 3 anyway. Nah couldn't agree less. He had a great eye for a player. But that is where his managerial ability stopped. Sam showed what a good manager can do with way, way less to spend. Todd was an average manager who had a great scouting network and was a great judge of talent himself. But arguing we were unlucky to go down is a nonsense. We were in the sense that we went down on 40 points which at the time was a record. But our squad that season under say an Allardyce or even a Megson type would have stayed up. Just needed more realism going into many games. Then the season after was a disgrace that we didn't go straight back up. He nearly bankrupted us. He was a really nice bloke and I'm not saying he was terrible. But he brought the club to its knees and what happened after clearly showed how a good manager makes the difference. Because we lost the quality players but did better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 You couldn't. Because inspite of the fact he was a dick, Megson was demonstrably superior to "take the positives" Sammy Lee for a start. Megson isn't in the last three. Coyle, Freedman, Lennon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 You couldn't. Because inspite of the fact he was a dick, Megson was demonstrably superior to "take the positives" Sammy Lee for a start. At least understand what I say before again spouting your bollocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 At least understand what I say before again spouting your bollocks Miscounted! Point still stands that Sammy Lee is in the bottom 3 surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) Miscounted! Point still stands that Sammy Lee is in the bottom 3 surely?You could argue yes. Though worst after managing 10 games (ish) that season? You could also argue he wasn't allowed to be the worst. The 3 prior to PP squandered so much cash relative to their peers it was untrue. Edit that last line probably harsh on Lennon. Was Amos the only expensive signing? Still our wage bill was surely way above bottom of the league. Edited September 5, 2018 by jayjayoghani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzo gambaro Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I still maintain Lennon showed some aptitude for the job before it all started to crumble around him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 based on statistics, win ratio blah blah no doubt Lee would be in there however from the stand point of where we were taken, what we went through and where we ended up (yes Lee wasnt given enough time to see if it could get any worse) Lee is nowhere near as bad as Coyle Freedman & Lennon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I still maintain Lennon showed some aptitude for the job before it all started to crumble around him. which happened as soon as Mjallby fucked off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzo gambaro Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 which happened as soon as Mjallby fucked offMaybe, though we were hardly pulling up trees before he went. I think the off-field stuff probably had a bigger impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 5, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted September 5, 2018 which happened as soon as Mjallby fucked off Both true for me. Lennon's head went. From the enthusiastic fella up on his feet at the start to the hunched, disinterested shadow of a bloke in his seat at the end. Shame, but water under the bridge now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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