CMW Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 emotions towards football change, different age etc like you say Yes Forest will be remembered but alongside that night at Anfield, Highbury, Reading, Swindon, Wolves. They mean exactly the same to me but for differing reasons. But i do remember those nights more fondly. whether its nostalgia i dont know, maybe in 20 years i will think of Forest in the same light? results under Rioch for me were pure Joy under Parkinson joy but mainly relief Relief is the correct description. The pressure on results in the last 2 years has been unprecedented and combined with our financial situation PP will in future years be remembered as a saviour. It’s unlikely he will be revered like SA and BR but I think the wrong appointment in 2016 and we could have gone the way of the likes of Pompey,Coventry and Luton and slid further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Relief is the correct description. The pressure on results in the last 2 years has been unprecedented and combined with our financial situation PP will in future years be remembered as a saviour. It’s unlikely he will be revered like SA and BR but I think the wrong appointment in 2016 and we could have gone the way of the likes of Pompey,Coventry and Luton and slid further 100% It was absolute shit or bust it came off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Take Hunt Off Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Allardyce Rioch Greaves Parkinson similar to Armfield in terms of picking up an ailing team & turning things around with no dosh. Todd deserves a mention just for that one memorable season. Neal was a good talent spotter but didnt have the big bollocks of Bruce Rioch Bill Ridding didnt even pick the team but still outshines the likes of Coyle Freedman McFarland . Finaly Megson not the best but certainly not the worst & better than the three above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Is parkys football any better than megsons? ???????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Allardyce Rioch Greaves Parkinson similar to Armfield in terms of picking up an ailing team & turning things around with no dosh. Todd deserves a mention just for that one memorable season. Neal was a good talent spotter but didnt have the big bollocks of Bruce Rioch Bill Ridding didnt even pick the team but still outshines the likes of Coyle Freedman McFarland . Finaly Megson not the best but certainly not the worst & better than the three above. Broadly agree with this except I would go with Armfield over Greaves. Armfield was our first modern day thinking manager in my opinion, he brought in quality players who were probably at the end of their careers at the teams they were at, into the team - Peter Thompson, Tony Dunne (just like Allardyce went on to do nearly 30 years later!) - to sprinkle a bit of stardust to mix with the players that were already there such as Roy Greaves, John Byrom, Ronny Phillips and brought through probably the best crop of youngsters we've ever produced with the likes of Reid, Paul Jones, Neil Whatmore, Allardyce, Siddall, Gary Jones, Don McAllister and Alan Waldron. Not to forget he also brought along Peter Nicholson from Blackpool when he became our manager. These youngsters developed and learned the game under Armfield, only Siddall if memory serves even came through to play until Armfield was in his second season with the rest coming through in his third. This gave Ian Greaves the so solid platform he built from. I rate Greaves and don't believe I'm doing him a disservice but he added to Armfield's team in such the same way as Todd added to Rioch's team in later years. I really rate Parkinson too and see no reason why he shouldn't be considered one of our greatest managers in living memory if he carries on as he has over the next few seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Is parkys football any better than megsons? ???????????????????? Cunt off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Broadly agree with this except I would go with Armfield over Greaves. Armfield was our first modern day thinking manager in my opinion, he brought in quality players who were probably at the end of their careers at the teams they were at, into the team - Peter Thompson, Tony Dunne (just like Allardyce went on to do nearly 30 years later!) - to sprinkle a bit of stardust to mix with the players that were already there such as Roy Greaves, John Byrom, Ronny Phillips and brought through probably the best crop of youngsters we've ever produced with the likes of Reid, Paul Jones, Neil Whatmore, Allardyce, Siddall, Gary Jones, Don McAllister and Alan Waldron. Not to forget he also brought along Peter Nicholson from Blackpool when he became our manager. These youngsters developed and learned the game under Armfield, only Siddall if memory serves even came through to play until Armfield was in his second season with the rest coming through in his third. This gave Ian Greaves the so solid platform he built from. I rate Greaves and don't believe I'm doing him a disservice but he added to Armfield's team in such the same way as Todd added to Rioch's team in later years. I really rate Parkinson too and see no reason why he shouldn't be considered one of our greatest managers in living memory if he carries on as he has over the next few seasons. Surely our “best crop of youngsters “ was the team that won the Cup in ‘58? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) Parky one of our greatest managers?? Bit of a stretch that really, had a decent enough two years but we’re talking about top league 1 / bottom championship level. We’ve been in promotion chases with Fleetwood and relegation fights with Burton during his two years here We were 5 minutes away from being at the same level as Accrington Stanley If he gets us in the championship play offs this season or next then we can have a conversation, until then, nah! Edited September 5, 2018 by birch-chorley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Parky one of our greatest managers?? Bit of a stretch that really, had a decent enough two years but we’re talking about top league 1 / bottom championship level. We’ve been in promotion chases with Fleetwood and relegation fights with Burton during his two years here We were 5 minutes away from being at the same level as Accrington Stanley If he gets us in the championship play offs this season or next then we can have a conversation, until then, nah! Context of the scenario he has been working in though. You can't just look at where we are, but the situation and resources available. And also where we might have ended up otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Parky one of our greatest managers?? Bit of a stretch that really, had a decent enough two years but we’re talking about top league 1 / bottom championship level. We’ve been in promotion chases with Fleetwood and relegation fights with Burton during his two years here We were 5 minutes away from being at the same level as Accrington Stanley If he gets us in the championship play offs this season or next then we can have a conversation, until then, nah! flogging a dead horse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted September 6, 2018 Members Share Posted September 6, 2018 Parky one of our greatest managers?? No but the greatest since Sam Allardyce. His achievements with the budget he has had to work with have been excellent in my view. The promotion; the survival and now what looks like the consolidation. He deserves great credit for this but the ethereal dreamers expect Premier League and Europe. Now! There is no way to manage unrealistic expectations so I have learned to just ignore them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 flogging a dead horseThing is I started going at the end of the Phil Neal era so aside from Rioch and Sam none of our other managers bar perhaps Todd come close to being a success. For me at the moment that 3rd spot is down to Parky or Todd. I'd probably chose Todd only because we don't know how the parky era will pan out. Ask folk the week before the stoke debacle and Coyle would be in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Thing is I started going at the end of the Phil Neal era so aside from Rioch and Sam none of our other managers bar perhaps Todd come close to being a success. For me at the moment that 3rd spot is down to Parky or Todd. I'd probably chose Todd only because we don't know how the parky era will pan out. Ask folk the week before the stoke debacle and Coyle would be in there. same I started around 87/88, didn’t mind Todd tbh should of got promotion back though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Context of the scenario he has been working in though. You can't just look at where we are, but the situation and resources available. And also where we might have ended up otherwise. We had some of the best available resources in league 1 You’d expect a competent manager to be able to work with what we had and deliver a top 6 finish as a minimum Last season, granted our resources had us down the bottom end of the table and that’s where we ended up He’s done a good job don’t get me wrong but it’s nothing remarkable in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 6, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted September 6, 2018 Agree Birch. Some very decent players for league one. Hats off to parky for delivering the goods then and for keeping us going in troubled times. If we can develop from here on in then he'll have earned the sort of accolade others are getting, and fair play for it. Bit early for me currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 We had some of the best available resources in league 1 You’d expect a competent manager to be able to work with what we had and deliver a top 6 finish as a minimum Last season, granted our resources had us down the bottom end of the table and that’s where we ended up He’s done a good job don’t get me wrong but it’s nothing remarkable in my opinion Nah. That league one team, where are they all now? Apart from Madine, most are in league one (or worse) What he inherited was a league one side. That was in a mess, under an embargo without a pot to piss in, and a club as low as it can get morale and spirit wise. It was the worst situation any of the managers we are discussing came to the club in. By quite a distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I don't know, the basket case that Phil Neal took over was not a lot better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Nah. That league one team, where are they all now? Apart from Madine, most are in league one (or worse) What he inherited was a league one side. That was in a mess, under an embargo without a pot to piss in, and a club as low as it can get morale and spirit wise. It was the worst situation any of the managers we are discussing came to the club in. By quite a distance. he also had championship players playing in a league 1 side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottm_Wanderer Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 50 years as a Wanderer ... Big Sam : Some of the football with youri , Jay Jay, Ivan Campo was sublime . For a couple of seasons it was like watching Barca, everyone loved us until Souness tagged us long ball. Armfield / Greaves : First time I'd seen us play open expansive football. Decent crowds at Burnde . Great going on away grounds with big followings . Rioch : the cup runs , the teamwork , sat on his plastic seats on the grass . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMW Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 he also had championship players playing in a league 1 side Bollocks. He had League 1 standard players who had been lucky to previously been contracted to a championship club. Where are they now??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMW Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 he also had championship players playing in a league 1 side Bollocks. He had League 1 standard players who had been lucky to previously been contracted to a championship club. Where are they now??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Bollocks. He had League 1 standard players who had been lucky to previously been contracted to a championship club. Where are they now??? So Alnwick beevers wheater and Taylor are not championship players. That back line was solid in league one and contributed to many points He had the players end of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted September 6, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted September 6, 2018 John McGovern is the manager I feel most sorry for, he had a right shower of shit and kids to work with. Parky didn't have the worst of squads to work with but it was vital we came back up and quickly. Job done, stayed up and hopefully we are starting to leave the dark days behind once again. I started in 1980/81 watching Bolton. BSA has been our best manager with Rioch 2nd (even though I loved Rioch and never much cared for BSA), no 3 for me is Todd simply because of 1996/97 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 6, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted September 6, 2018 So Alnwick beevers wheater and Taylor are not championship players. That back line was solid in league one and contributed to many points He had the players end of Aye. Plenty of players had played in the premier League too. Certainly not world beaters clearly, but more than capable of getting out of league one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzo gambaro Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Aye. Plenty of players had played in the premier League too. Certainly not world beaters clearly, but more than capable of getting out of league one.They should have been more than capable of staying in the Championship too, and yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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