darrener Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 35 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: I'd fancy us to stay up from here if we were normal and weren't losing players and had the ability to sign one or two this month. We aren't far away from a run. But hard to see it given the off field issues. One player who brought something different - some midfield dynamism and skill with a little end product would transform us. But as it is we've holes to plug and maybe no way to do it. Parky is part of the problem, he's drove more people away this season with the dross he's put out. Let's not make him out to be some kind of genius all of a sudden because what's gone on this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Casino said: i have my view, you have yours but you missed my point im talking about the effect on lee this is no normal manager job Indeed. And more importantly we should leave Lee doing a good job with the development squad as we are likely to need several of them shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomRepWanderer Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, darrener said: Parky is part of the problem, he's drove more people away this season with the dross he's put out. Let's not make him out to be some kind of genius all of a sudden because what's gone on this week. How many decent managers would have put up with this circus? says a lot about Parkinson that he has stuck around, what I'm saying is he wouldn't get another job as big as this, and he knows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 11, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Indeed. And more importantly we should leave Lee doing a good job with the development squad as we are likely to need several of them shortly. thats a whole new subject and another worry i dont see em being anywhere near good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eavesy Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Casino said: i have my view, you have yours but you missed my point im talking about the effect on lee this is no normal manager job Ahh okay. do you think what’s gone on has had a serious impact on Parkinson and the playing squad? baring in mind they’ve only had one missed payment. (As repeated by Ken on several occasions) I’ve barely seen any impact week to week on performances. Last season post madine sale when we had confidence in finances and no constant media shite. compared with right now. To be polite to Parkinson. Actually he’s been able to maintain a level performance across good and bad times. in my opinion that level has been 5hite. But that’s a different discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Casino said: thats a whole new subject and another worry i dont see em being anywhere near good enough That is the main worry We cant strengthen by bringing anyone in and we dont have any who are likely to make the grade Unless we get a miracle and sort out the finances we will need Ipswich and Reading to carry on losing and somehow just pip Rortherham - possible but unlikely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 The Bolton job isn't one for newbies cutting their teeth, unless we're stripping right back and rebooting in L2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, Casino said: thats a whole new subject and another worry i dont see em being anywhere near good enough Beggars can't be choosers, our squad is not deep. A couple more injuries, loan returns, etc and they will be filling our subs bench with Oztumer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 11, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 11, 2019 nah, oztumer will be off for 5 million, surely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 11, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 11, 2019 I see that Jones bloke from Luton who's been touted on here got the Stoke job whatever league we're in, when PP is potted, we'll be going down the same untried/untested route Luton did - but, they are out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 49 minutes ago, darrener said: Parky is part of the problem, he's drove more people away this season with the dross he's put out. Let's not make him out to be some kind of genius all of a sudden because what's gone on this week. He's a good manager. He's working under ridiculous circumstances. The fact some of our fans don't appreciate how bad things are and how difficult for a manager they are is besides the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: He's a good manager. He's working under ridiculous circumstances. The fact some of our fans don't appreciate how bad things are and how difficult for a manager they are is besides the point. Being serious are you related to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomRepWanderer Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: He's a good manager. He's working under ridiculous circumstances. The fact some of our fans don't appreciate how bad things are and how difficult for a manager they are is besides the point. How can you blatantly state that Parkinson is a good manager? he failed at Charlton and Hull at this level without any constraints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: He's a good manager. He's working under ridiculous circumstances. The fact some of our fans don't appreciate how bad things are and how difficult for a manager they are is besides the point. He nearly fucked up the promotion and we stayed up with the skin of our teeth This season he really has been awful as a manager; brought in garbage players and his tactics are useless Really believe I could manage them better We need a new manager as much or even more than new owners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, RUREADY2ROLL said: He nearly fucked up the promotion and we stayed up with the skin of our teeth This season he really has been awful as a manager; brought in garbage players and his tactics are useless Really believe I could manage them better We need a new manager as much or even more than new owners This is totally predicated on whether you think promotion and staying up were things we should have done. We shouldn't IMO have managed either in the state the club was in and with the circumstances that transpired. The problem in my view is that many Bolton fans don't seem to have adjusted to where the club is at, and instead see "staying up in the championship" as being not really good enough. The club was sinking when Parky came in. And as it turns out off-field wise is still sinking. God only knows where we'd be had Deano had his way and appointed Nolan and Brown! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 37 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: Seriously though.... are you related to him? I'm not related to Parky and I agree with fan5. Under the circumstances he has done a very good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrener Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said: He's a good manager. He's working under ridiculous circumstances. The fact some of our fans don't appreciate how bad things are and how difficult for a manager they are is besides the point. I'm sorry but he's not, if you ask most people why they don't go it's usually the style of football. We've won 2 league games since October anywhere else he'd have been fired, we'd have lost on Saturday if he hadn't changed it round at half time and that was due to a injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, darrener said: I'm sorry but he's not, if you ask most people why they don't go it's usually the style of football. We've won 2 league games since October anywhere else he'd have been fired, we'd have lost on Saturday if he hadn't changed it round at half time and that was due to a injury. Hang on - he'd have been fired for these results under normal circumstances with a normal budget. I agree. And rightly so. But we don't have those things here. We instead allegedly have senior players loaning younger ones their mortgage and supposed permanent signings leaving due to unpaid fees. I agree its a tough watch week in week out. But you'd think we'd be bottom and gone like we were 3 seasons ago. But we're not. Is that not good in itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said: He's a good manager. He's working under ridiculous circumstances. The fact some of our fans don't appreciate how bad things are and how difficult for a manager they are is besides the point. 2 minutes ago, darrener said: I'm sorry but he's not, if you ask most people why they don't go it's usually the style of football. We've won 2 league games since October anywhere else he'd have been fired, we'd have lost on Saturday if he hadn't changed it round at half time and that was due to a injury. I don't think he's great manager. Theres no-one I can think of that I'd rather have in place under the current circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Just now, ZiggyStardust said: I don't think he's great manager. Theres no-one I can think of that I'd rather have in place under the current circumstances. I'd have Big Sam or someone of that reputation. But we aren't getting Sam or anyone with his experience and ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrener Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Hang on - he'd have been fired for these results under normal circumstances with a normal budget. I agree. And rightly so. But we don't have those things here. We instead allegedly have senior players loaning younger ones their mortgage and supposed permanent signings leaving due to unpaid fees. I agree its a tough watch week in week out. But you'd think we'd be bottom and gone like we were 3 seasons ago. But we're not. Is that not good in itself? If the first team would have been made up of kids from the youth team or u23's I'd have agreed with you but it's not, he admitted he's had a better squad this season but still we constantly lose, he nearly cocked it up in league one with a far bigger budget than anyone else. He's a dinosaur nobody plays this way anymore even mourinho is getting found out for his negative tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, darrener said: If the first team would have been made up of kids from the youth team or u23's I'd have agreed with you but it's not, he admitted he's had a better squad this season but still we constantly lose, he nearly cocked it up in league one with a far bigger budget than anyone else. He's a dinosaur nobody plays this way anymore even mourinho is getting found out for his negative tactics. The budget we had in league one was not really a budget. We couldn't spend anything. We were just playing a load of overrated players way too much. He managed to take a hopeless group and get them working for each other. He did the same last season. This year I'd say we are only one or two away from being quite good. But the margins are thin in football. Without that goalscorer or dominant midfield type we will struggle. If we were playing the kids we'd be well below Ipswich now. I think squad wise we're about at Ipswich's level, in all honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: The budget we had in league one was not really a budget. We couldn't spend anything. We were just playing a load of overrated players way too much. He managed to take a hopeless group and get them working for each other. He did the same last season. This year I'd say we are only one or two away from being quite good. But the margins are thin in football. Without that goalscorer or dominant midfield type we will struggle. If we were playing the kids we'd be well below Ipswich now. I think squad wise we're about at Ipswich's level, in all honesty. Doesn’t matter he had no budget in league 1 he had good players at his disposal for that league, as the season went on he acquired more good players for that league ameobi, Alf karacan etc the only thing I will give him credit for was turning madine around and getting shut of clough to bring better players in Edited January 11, 2019 by radcliffe white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roybarker Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Time for Parky to go he will not learn from his mistakes,play Noone on the left and 2 in the middle Get Nigel Pearson in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted January 12, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, roybarker said: Time for Parky to go he will not learn from his mistakes,play Noone on the left and 2 in the middle Get Nigel Pearson in It's been time for quite a while now. Insist all you want, he's going nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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