Moderators Casino Posted January 18, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: That's not the issue most folk have with him is it (obviously he'll never win them all), it's his methods/behaviour. Personally, I'd also like him to give us an idea (very approximate) of when he sees us starting to achieve this living within our means. Never seems to be an end to the strife. You talk about methods He hasn't got any money There's not many methods available other than cutting costs yet further whereby we probably become even less competitive Its shit and it'll carry on while we strive to live within our means Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Casino said: You talk about methods He hasn't got any money There's not many methods available other than cutting costs yet further whereby we probably become even less competitive Its shit and it'll carry on while we strive to live within our means I agree with that, but it's not what I was getting at. Anyway, we're not going to change our opinions of him, so we'll both have to cling to the hope that we manage to get through, and gradually turn the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 18, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 18, 2019 Fair enough The only real issue I've had with him is the shut us down I don't care remark Now the dust has settled, I'm comfortable with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Casino said: Fair enough The only real issue I've had with him is the shut us down I don't care remark Now the dust has settled, I'm comfortable with that Strangely, I was less concerned by this, alleged remark; I've said worse in the heat of the moment. And if it was a discussion with someone who likes to thrust his meat free ways into your face, well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainmed Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Free upgrades Monday Free upgrades. Free if you know a ST holder. I bet there’s still not 15K there. What a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostock Whites Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Casino said: If you tell me I'm wrong, I'll believe you But I reckon you would've been screaming boo, lack of ambition in the good days Those days created the mess we are in, not fcuking Ken Anderson He's the dick trying to sort it Lets live within our means everybody cried Not much fun, is it You reckon completely wrong, I loved us back then, had no issues. Has Ken taken on a shitstorm? Yes But there has been an endless list of faults from him, within only the past few weeks. He acts like he doesn’t care, but it’s clearly obvious, that he’s using his time as the leading, foremost person in charge of our proud club, and spending that time more in social media, banning reporters, ex legends, making ridiculous comments to other owners. When instead, he should be focusing more on getting this club the investor it needs. People are saying, well we aren’t going to get an investor cos we’re broke. But we’re also definitely not going to get a good investor, when our chairmen is solely responsible for putting Bolton in bad limelight, ie, not paying wages on time, making stupid comments, acting as a dictator. Therefore, he more than deserves the flak he’s going to get on Monday from supporters, he gets to write an essay everyday on the club, just simply chatting shit about other people. So the fans deserve to say something back. I’ve said before, there was a Bolton Wanderers before, and will be after Ken Anderson, he clearly cares more about his own wealth, business ventures, than the club, as indicated in his comments, constantly defending himself. And showing all the traits of a dictator, and trying to exterminate anyone who says anything bad about him. Us fans have been the ones who’ve suffered the most, if some of us want to protest, I’m all for it Edited January 18, 2019 by Lostock Whites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 18, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 18, 2019 Why didn't you have issues? We were creating the problems we now have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Lostock Whites said: I’ve said before, there was a Bolton Wanderers before, and will be after Ken Anderson, he clearly cares more about his own wealth, business ventures, than the club, as indicated in his comments, constantly defending himself. And showing all the traits of a dictator, and trying to exterminate anyone who says anything bad about him. As it stands at the moment, without Ken there isn't a Bolton Wanderers. And that doesn't change whether you like him or not. And if he just gives up, then there won't be one in the future, or certainly not one that most would recognize. So tell me again, what are you protesting against - you want the guy who wants to sell, to sell ? You want the guy who wants investment, to get investment ? or you want the guy who is keeping us in business (just) to jack it in ? And then they say we're all in this together. Edited January 18, 2019 by ZiggyStardust cos I'm a knob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gonzo Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Lostock Whites said: You reckon completely wrong, I loved us back then, had no issues. Has Ken taken on a shitstorm? Yes But there has been an endless list of faults from him, within only the past few weeks. He acts like he doesn’t care, but it’s clearly obvious, that he’s using his time as the leading, foremost person in charge of our proud club, and spending that time more in social media, banning reporters, ex legends, making ridiculous comments to other owners. When instead, he should be focusing more on getting this club the investor it needs. People are saying, well we aren’t going to get an investor cos we’re broke. But we’re also definitely not going to get a good investor, when our chairmen is solely responsible for putting Bolton in bad limelight, ie, not paying wages on time, making stupid comments, acting as a dictator. Therefore, he more than deserves the flak he’s going to get on Monday from supporters, he gets to write an essay everyday on the club, just simply chatting shit about other people. So the fans deserve to say something back. I’ve said before, there was a Bolton Wanderers before, and will be after Ken Anderson, he clearly cares more about his own wealth, business ventures, than the club, as indicated in his comments, constantly defending himself. And showing all the traits of a dictator, and trying to exterminate anyone who says anything bad about him. Us fans have been the ones who’ve suffered the most, if some of us want to protest, I’m all for it You’ve well and truly bought the twitter hype. Just take a step back out of the bubble. Forget the chairman’s notes, forget the spats between him and BN. Forget that vegan ponce. And ask yourself the question. Are Bolton Wanderers Football Club in a better position on and off the pitch than when he took over? Are our outgoings and Debts lower? like kane said elsewhere, it’s hard not to get wrapped up in the twitter bubble. Forget the nonsense and concentrate on the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 18, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, gonzo said: You’ve well and truly bought the twitter hype. Just take a step back out of the bubble. Forget the chairman’s notes, forget the spats between him and BN. Forget that vegan ponce. And ask yourself the question. Are Bolton Wanderers Football Club in a better position on and off the pitch than when he took over? Are our outgoings and Debts lower? like kane said elsewhere, it’s hard not to get wrapped up in the twitter bubble. Forget the nonsense and concentrate on the facts. if he concentrated on that without all the bullshit and bluster, the situation might not be half as bad as it is whereas he's caused half the hype, nonsense and bubble himself whether we're in a better position off the pitch remains to be seen, we're hanging in there more than ever it would seem right now, and next season, as things are going, we're likely to be in the same position on the pitch too though I get that it was inevitable given he has no cash, relatively speaking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 54 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: if he concentrated on that without all the bullshit and bluster, the situation might not be half as bad as it is whereas he's caused half the hype, nonsense and bubble himself whether we're in a better position off the pitch remains to be seen, we're hanging in there more than ever it would seem right now, and next season, as things are going, we're likely to be in the same position on the pitch too though I get that it was inevitable given he has no cash, relatively speaking Aye as I/we have said before it’s such a unique situation. I remember when KA started and the fans clamoured for clarity. I was in the chairman’s suite for the Fleetwood game right at the beginning and that word was banded about all day. The Walsh brothers banging on about all we want is to know what’s happening. I even explained in a brief conversation with KA and LA that nobody had a clue what kind of a mess we were getting in to until we were in the high court. So it was pretty obvious from the start that was the plan. Stay in tune with the fans, regular updates and get LA retweeting folk in Benidorm with their bolton tops on and announcing stuff with fuckin emojis. It was all gravy till we started losing matches but the bad news was still coming in. Obviously the well meaning all came crashing down and a tit for tat kicked off and he hordes of divs started pulling to pieces every single word and snippet of information that came out of the club. It all became too personal and the owners are as guilty as charged. Everybody knows too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Having a pop at Ken was one thing but I did raise an eyebrow with his comments about parky and his tactics. Ex players and managers (!) Don't normally weigh in like that went a little too far if ask me just out of a professional courtesy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, snowball said: Having a pop at Ken was one thing but I did raise an eyebrow with his comments about parky and his tactics. Ex players and managers (!) Don't normally weigh in like that went a little too far if ask me just out of a professional courtesy. I agree SJM overstepped the mark there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 18, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 18, 2019 He would've been better speaking up when his buddy Coyle was destroying us As an aside, he makes out hes a big fan Has he been seen at an away game since Stockport in 1990 whatever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostock Whites Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) Ken didn’t remove the debt that was all Eddie Davies. And considering Ken has done such miracles, and has put us so much better financially, we’ve done remarkably well to have been acting so poorly as a club. I completely understand the poor position Ken was in, and the shite he had to deal with from our previous regime. To us fans, who can only really see what gets shown in front of us, there is no real difference between now and 2 years ago, unpaid/delayed wages, constant bad news being dragged out of the club. That’s what the issue is with the fans with Ken, is there has been no progression. We got promoted, and stayed up miraculously, and then was the point were we all beleived, yes, this is where we can progress. We stayed up, which was documented across the world, our debt was pretty much wiped, started brilliantly. All this positivity, you would of thought things would improve, and that there was no better time for an investor to come in. But the frustration is that it hasn’t, things have gone worse, much worse, and it’s obvious without a change, to our management, but predominantly our owners, we will be in the same position as 2 years ago. Thats where the frustration lies, as we all believed it was behind us, yet the amount of crap we’ve had to listen to, and that amount of problems documented, has been overwhelming for some. That’s why I can understand why protests are taking place. Add on that, the fact that we are a very poor team, with very poor sub standard tactics given by our manager, ugly football each game, with no results. I respect Parky, 100%, he’s done miracles, but to progress the club further, he’s shown his major limitations of managing a championship club. But at the moment, considering how poor our squad is, I can’t blame everything on Parky. If we did stay up, and did get investment, then I’d look to see if a new manager could come in. Edited January 19, 2019 by Lostock Whites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 5 hours ago, Lostock Whites said: Ken didn’t remove the debt that was all Eddie Davies. And considering Ken has done such miracles, and has put us so much better financially, we’ve done remarkably well to have been acting so poorly as a club. I completely understand the poor position Ken was in, and the shite he had to deal with from our previous regime. To us fans, who can only really see what gets shown in front of us, there is no real difference between now and 2 years ago, unpaid/delayed wages, constant bad news being dragged out of the club. That’s what the issue is with the fans with Ken, is there has been no progression. We got promoted, and stayed up miraculously, and then was the point were we all beleived, yes, this is where we can progress. We stayed up, which was documented across the world, our debt was pretty much wiped, started brilliantly. All this positivity, you would of thought things would improve, and that there was no better time for an investor to come in. But the frustration is that it hasn’t, things have gone worse, much worse, and it’s obvious without a change, to our management, but predominantly our owners, we will be in the same position as 2 years ago. Thats where the frustration lies, as we all believed it was behind us, yet the amount of crap we’ve had to listen to, and that amount of problems documented, has been overwhelming for some. That’s why I can understand why protests are taking place. Add on that, the fact that we are a very poor team, with very poor sub standard tactics given by our manager, ugly football each game, with no results. I respect Parky, 100%, he’s done miracles, but to progress the club further, he’s shown his major limitations of managing a championship club. But at the moment, considering how poor our squad is, I can’t blame everything on Parky. If we did stay up, and did get investment, then I’d look to see if a new manager could come in. But until the investment comes in does it not make sense to support the manager ? you touch on the area where KA needs to be questioned IMO after nearly three years in charge and all these tough desicions he has made how honestly is the gap between income and expenditure ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 5 hours ago, Lostock Whites said: Ken didn’t remove the debt that was all Eddie Davies. And considering Ken has done such miracles, and has put us so much better financially, we’ve done remarkably well to have been acting so poorly as a club. I completely understand the poor position Ken was in, and the shite he had to deal with from our previous regime. To us fans, who can only really see what gets shown in front of us, there is no real difference between now and 2 years ago, unpaid/delayed wages, constant bad news being dragged out of the club. That’s what the issue is with the fans with Ken, is there has been no progression. We got promoted, and stayed up miraculously, and then was the point were we all beleived, yes, this is where we can progress. We stayed up, which was documented across the world, our debt was pretty much wiped, started brilliantly. All this positivity, you would of thought things would improve, and that there was no better time for an investor to come in. But the frustration is that it hasn’t, things have gone worse, much worse, and it’s obvious without a change, to our management, but predominantly our owners, we will be in the same position as 2 years ago. Thats where the frustration lies, as we all believed it was behind us, yet the amount of crap we’ve had to listen to, and that amount of problems documented, has been overwhelming for some. That’s why I can understand why protests are taking place. Add on that, the fact that we are a very poor team, with very poor sub standard tactics given by our manager, ugly football each game, with no results. I respect Parky, 100%, he’s done miracles, but to progress the club further, he’s shown his major limitations of managing a championship club. But at the moment, considering how poor our squad is, I can’t blame everything on Parky. If we did stay up, and did get investment, then I’d look to see if a new manager could come in. You’re still not getting it. we have no money. We have cash flow problems because we have no money. We are in exactly the same position we were this time last season. Skint and and in the relegation zone of the championship....with less debt but no Gary Madine to sell. The bad stories will continue to pour of the club, Ken will continue beg steal and borrow to keep the club afloat and folk will still get frustrated unit we get some more money from somewhere. If we were mid table playing attacking football you wouldn’t give two shites that we owe an agent firm a few quid or refused to pay money to forest green for a player whilst we were under embargo so couldn’t register him. Which was the correct decision by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, gonzo said: You’re still not getting it. we have no money. We have cash flow problems because we have no money. We are in exactly the same position we were this time last season. Skint and and in the relegation zone of the championship....with less debt but no Gary Madine to sell. The bad stories will continue to pour of the club, Ken will continue beg steal and borrow to keep the club afloat and folk will still get frustrated unit we get some more money from somewhere. If we were mid table playing attacking football you wouldn’t give two shites that we owe an agent firm a few quid or refused to pay money to forest green for a player whilst we were under embargo so couldn’t register him. Which was the correct decision by the way. Yeah but Gonzo, why can’t we just balance the books, make some profit, pay absolutely everybody on time, sack the manager, buy better players, play better football and get new investment next week? Can’t be that hard can it? As for this comment of “he should spend more time looking for investors and less time banning people” - how fucking long do people really think it takes to stick a statement out? Half an hour? Every what, 3 days on average? If anybody genuinely thinks that his statements are reducing his efforts of getting investment then they need to have a word with themselves. Likewise this idea that bad limelight is being put on the club will detract from buyers appetite. I actually think that it’s almost the opposite, the bar is so low in terms of what our fans (and apparently the wider football world) think of Ken that a new owner will be massively in favour from day one, just because he/she/they are not Ken, stick a few early PR stunts out there and they’ll be loved! It won’t take long for people to forget that we screwed over a carrot shagging prick from a tiny club in the Cotswolds under previous ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bwfc2003 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 49 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: West Brom sold over 950 Is that 950 sold plus 950 freebies?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RUREADY2ROLL Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 15 hours ago, snowball said: Having a pop at Ken was one thing but I did raise an eyebrow with his comments about parky and his tactics. Ex players and managers (!) Don't normally weigh in like that went a little too far if ask me just out of a professional courtesy. Parkinsons tactics are a joke and I am glad SJM has said what he thinks; why would anyone not give their comments. I agree with Casino regarding him not slagging Coyle but his downfall was getting us into debt by paying millions for sub-standard players and thats why we are where we are now; Parkinsons tactics are far worse than Coyle's in fact the first 6 months of Coyle's reign we were a joy to watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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