Mounts Kipper Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Casino said: i still get where hes coming from packing midfield but each time we lose, i think 'what if we had tried' so, last night, they had miles better players in midfield and taking one of ours out wouldnt have helped one bit but, i might be wrong will never know You have to get the opposition on the back foot that unsettles their back four, at the the moment the opposition midfield and back 4 know that none of our players going to do that and that makes it so easy to defend against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Traf said: Was he playing? In a fashion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eavesy Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: What debts were cleared? None as far as I know. Excluding the debts written off by Davies anderson has removed many potential overheads and poorly arranged contracts including - various consultancy arrangements - monstrous wage bill - renegotiated contracts to remove ridiculous bonuses. - poor arrangements with suppliers (heatcotes) the removal of those has reduced the chances of potential debt in the future. At the exact same time he’s managed to - keep the squad paid (99%) of the time - retained investment in infrastructure and training facilities - attracted events at the ground/hotel which sets us up as a long term location for future events (gigs rugby and youth cups) - attracted sponsorship deals such as uni bol (we could have ended up with no one) Perhaps the accurate term is ’removed long term debts and saved the fucking club’ Edited January 30, 2019 by Eavesy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, Casino said: i still get where hes coming from packing midfield but each time we lose, i think 'what if we had tried' so, last night, they had miles better players in midfield and taking one of ours out wouldnt have helped one bit but, i might be wrong will never know Cas, absolutely no problem with matching the opposition for numbers in the middle long gone are the days of 4-4-2 because that would just be suicide against teams who have an extra man AND want to keep the ball and play. Lowe & Murphy in there (as an example) would be torn to ribbons but, what other teams do which we / Parky is petrified of doing is giving any one of those midfielders the job or even the belief to go and support. The gap between our back 4 and midfield is about 10 yard. Between our midfield and striker is about 50. How the fuck does anyone expect any other outcome than what we’re seeing? And that command comes from Parkinson only! Even the wide men play so narrow it’s crying out for Taylor to have some balls and get down the line on the overlap. But again he’s petrified. Because, ‘if’ we lose the ball then we’re exposed. It’s all about containing, not giving space, being compact etc 2 problems with that is, 1) we aren’t good enough to do that and 2) it causes us to be completely impotent going forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, Traf said: Was he playing? Motm according to Iles. Confirming he must still be banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Eavesy said: Excluding the debts written off by Davies anderson has removed many potential overheads and poorly arranged contracts including - various consultancy arrangements - monstrous wage bill - renegotiated contracts to remove ridiculous bonuses. - poor arrangements with suppliers (heatcotes) the removal of those has reduced the chances of potential debt in the future. At the exact same time he’s managed to - keep the squad paid (99%) of the time - retained investment in infrastructure and training facilities - attracted events at the ground/hotel which sets us up as a long term location for future events (gigs rugby and youth cups) - attracted sponsorship deals such as uni bol (we could have ended up with no one) Perhaps the accurate term is ’removed long term debts and saved the fucking club’ Eddie Davies wrote off all his debt before KA bought the club, the fact is all the debt on the balance sheet when he bought the club is still on the balance sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 He put in the only good cross of the night when we equalised. He was anonymous for the rest of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passmosster Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said: Cas, absolutely no problem with matching the opposition for numbers in the middle long gone are the days of 4-4-2 because that would just be suicide against teams who have an extra man AND want to keep the ball and play. Lowe & Murphy in there (as an example) would be torn to ribbons but, what other teams do which we / Parky is petrified of doing is giving any one of those midfielders the job or even the belief to go and support. The gap between our back 4 and midfield is about 10 yard. Between our midfield and striker is about 50. How the fuck does anyone expect any other outcome than what we’re seeing? And that command comes from Parkinson only! Even the wide men play so narrow it’s crying out for Taylor to have some balls and get down the line on the overlap. But again he’s petrified. Because, ‘if’ we lose the ball then we’re exposed. It’s all about containing, not giving space, being compact etc 2 problems with that is, 1) we aren’t good enough to do that and 2) it causes us to be completely impotent going forward What's the point of playing 2 wingers if they never get a decent pass to run onto because there's no midfielder close enough? 1 winger and an attacking midfielder and give the full back room to run the line. Anyone, Donaldson just isn't a one up striker. He hasn't got the control or heading ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 30, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 30, 2019 never a pen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 His first thought is to worry about the opponent in EVERY match, fair enough away at Leeds and Sheff Utd etc. but we were at home to a side 1 point and 1 place above us. We made them look like Barca, we gave them room and didn’t pressurise them, we pressed in ones and twos, the wingers played as full backs in a back 6, the centre mids played 5 yards in front of the back 6. Reading gave us loads of chances to nick the ball whilst they were pissing about with it and break quickly, but as soon as Connell/Lowe/Ameobi won the ball back they had to go backwards because they only had that cart horse up front with no other bolton player within 50 yards. The players look bored, imagine setting up like that every game. I slate Ameobi because he looks like he doesn’t give a fuck but he must be fuming every game that he has to basically do everything himself. He’s drained any life and any confidence out of all the players. Simple things that don’t need a great amount of ability (set pieces, work rate, shape) are all shite, we should be running more than any team to make up for lack of ability, we may as well not bother taking corners and free kicks. It’s shite, he buries his head in the sand, blames everything he can think of other than himself, moans about money every game yet there is never one suggestion that he has tried to improve anything from one week to the next, it’s just the same shit. We need to get rid whilst we’re still in touching distance. A new man would still have a limited squad but with some confidence and improvements in the basics we can stay up. If we keep him though we may as well call it a day now and figure out how we survive with £5m less revenue in league one next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Also - anyone thinking that Oztumer wouldn’t improve that bag of shit is deluded. He has a first touch and can pass a ball, that alone makes him better than 80% of the starting line up. But Parky has fallen out with him, just like he does with others. Maybe if he’s still with us in April he’ll get a few games, just as Murphy has suddenly come in to favour after not being good enough for 3 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Take Hunt Off Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: How many do you think were on? And as I’ve been most games since 75 I’ve seen plenty of 6k and below. Probably around 9500 certainly under 10000 definately not 6000 but heyho its not worth an argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eavesy Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Eddie Davies wrote off all his debt before KA bought the club, the fact is all the debt on the balance sheet when he bought the club is still on the balance sheet. That’s why I excluded it. You’re right the loans owed to finance companies still exist however the figure now and in the future would have been a hell of a lot worse without Anderson (as per my list of everything he has done) purely looking at the finance debt is simply too simplistic for our football club Edited January 30, 2019 by Eavesy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: How many do you think were on? And as I’ve been most games since 75 I’ve seen plenty of 6k and below. I agree. When there's 6k on and there's hardly anyone in North Stand, the ESL is fairly packed. Tonight the extras in the North Stand probably evened out the huge gaps in ESL. I'd say 7k Bolton fans at most. And think about how many of those only went because they were 'encouraged' by someone else (my son for eg) or simply through obligation of having a season ticket. In the 80s without the season ticket influence that would have been as bad as any of our Div 4 crowds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrener Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: I agree. When there's 6k on and there's hardly anyone in North Stand, the ESL is fairly packed. Tonight the extras in the North Stand probably evened out the huge gaps in ESL. I'd say 7k Bolton fans at most. And think about how many of those only went because they were 'encouraged' by someone else (my son for eg) or simply through obligation of having a season ticket. In the 80s without the season ticket influence that would have been as bad as any of our Div 4 crowds. That must have been one of the smallest league crowds last night, I counted at least 12 season ticket holders round us who didn't turn up which is quite shocking. The nsu was really sparse last night and will only get worse if we stick with parkinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I've not missed a league game at this stadium and I am absolutely certain that was by some distance the lowest league crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Traf said: Was he playing? If he'd not been playing we lose that 1-0 because nobody else is capable of that cross. Same with the goal at Bristol in the league. I'm not saying he's playing at the top of his game but who on earth is going to replace him from our squad? (ruling out Oz as he's apparently too small). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Sit in east lower so obviously couldn’t tell upper, west & north uppers could of fit into 2 blocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazl1212 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Playing a lone striker isnt an issue if you have couple of attacking midfielders supporting. Which is entirely down to Parky Most teams dont play 442 anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 38 minutes ago, frank_spencer said: He put in the only good cross of the night when we equalised. He was anonymous for the rest of the game. Apart from the only decent shot of the 1st half which involved beating men initially. Beat men a few times throughout the game and passed crisply and to feet, often trying to get Donaldson away who was incapable of controlling the passes. I'm not trying to be an Ameobi apologist, I want him to get that 2nd half shot on target instead of into the North Stand and yes he miscontrolled the pass of the night from Connell, but he is miles above anyone in our squad for composure, control, beating a man as if he's not there and passing to feet. He was also asked to play right back after the Pole went off and stuck to his task and still created a goal. The alternative wingers are Buckley and Wildshcut, now we are talking bad players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 36 minutes ago, Eddie said: Also - anyone thinking that Oztumer wouldn’t improve that bag of shit is deluded. He has a first touch and can pass a ball, that alone makes him better than 80% of the starting line up. But Parky has fallen out with him, just like he does with others. Maybe if he’s still with us in April he’ll get a few games, just as Murphy has suddenly come in to favour after not being good enough for 3 months. Agreed. How Oz couldn't get on the bench tonight is anyone's guess, I mean under what circumstance would Murphy have come on and how would that have helped? Its bloody annoying that PP can make mistakes now (letting Oz go if he can manage it like he did with ALF) that will impact on next season in Div 1 whether he's the manager or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizlar Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just now, Eddie said: His first thought is to worry about the opponent in EVERY match, fair enough away at Leeds and Sheff Utd etc. but we were at home to a side 1 point and 1 place above us. We made them look like Barca, we gave them room and didn’t pressurise them, we pressed in ones and twos, the wingers played as full backs in a back 6, the centre mids played 5 yards in front of the back 6. Reading gave us loads of chances to nick the ball whilst they were pissing about with it and break quickly, but as soon as Connell/Lowe/Ameobi won the ball back they had to go backwards because they only had that cart horse up front with no other bolton player within 50 yards. The players look bored, imagine setting up like that every game. I slate Ameobi because he looks like he doesn’t give a fuck but he must be fuming every game that he has to basically do everything himself. He’s drained any life and any confidence out of all the players. Simple things that don’t need a great amount of ability (set pieces, work rate, shape) are all shite, we should be running more than any team to make up for lack of ability, we may as well not bother taking corners and free kicks. It’s shite, he buries his head in the sand, blames everything he can think of other than himself, moans about money every game yet there is never one suggestion that he has tried to improve anything from one week to the next, it’s just the same shit. We need to get rid whilst we’re still in touching distance. A new man would still have a limited squad but with some confidence and improvements in the basics we can stay up. If we keep him though we may as well call it a day now and figure out how we survive with £5m less revenue in league one next year. Excellent post spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizlar Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 10 hours ago, HomerJay said: Don't go then. Sorted. I ain't season ticket stays in the cupboard until parky fucks off ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndens Bogs Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said: never a pen That's an absolute joke of a pen, but i can see why the Ref bought it when viewed from behind , plus he really wanted buy it. If they hadn't scored the pen i doubt we would have scored,so it would probably have ended up 0-0 What's happening at our club is truly awful,It's like the death of a friend. I've always stuck by Parky,but his football is shocking to watch and he's tactically inept. It's time to get a new face in and start again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted January 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, frank_spencer said: Donaldson sums up the whole team at the minute he gives his all but isn't good enough. A striker whose first thought in front of goal is to pass is not a striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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