Moderators Carlos Posted May 12, 2019 Moderators Share Posted May 12, 2019 Howard, do us a favour love and close the door on your way out. PR isn’t a trade, it’s made up bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakey Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, Carlos said: PR isn’t a trade, it’s made up bullshit I was once asked in a job interview if I knew the difference between a trade and a profession. Wasted about half an hour as everything I came up with was demonstrably wrong. The correct answer for anyone wondering is that I haven't got a fucking clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, wakey said: I was once asked in a job interview if I knew the difference between a trade and a profession. Wasted about half an hour as everything I came up with was demonstrably wrong. The correct answer for anyone wondering is that I haven't got a fucking clue. Depends if shower before work (profession) or after work (trade). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowcarbon Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 I was taken in by Howard's comments earlier in this thread, he/she made a lot a sense at the time, with some big words and tricks of the trade, as such. Now several weeks later, his/her comments appear to be best guesswork and some we will possibly be never know how accurate he/she was. As it stands now, quite a few of the statements have not materialised and/or been totally misleading. Is or has Howard been working on behalf of someone else, just to keep us fans happy, or some other alternative outcome, we may never know. I for one think Howard should come clean, tell us who and why he or she is working this thread for, in the fashion up to now. At the moment I think he is just here as a WUM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughmungus Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Carlos said: Howard, do us a favour love and close the door on your way out. PR isn’t a trade, it’s made up bullshit. Didn’t take long did it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 39 minutes ago, lowcarbon said: I was taken in by Howard's comments earlier in this thread, he/she made a lot a sense at the time, with some big words and tricks of the trade, as such. Now several weeks later, his/her comments appear to be best guesswork and some we will possibly be never know how accurate he/she was. As it stands now, quite a few of the statements have not materialised and/or been totally misleading. Is or has Howard been working on behalf of someone else, just to keep us fans happy, or some other alternative outcome, we may never know. I for one think Howard should come clean, tell us who and why he or she is working this thread for, in the fashion up to now. At the moment I think he is just here as a WUM. Too much detail to be wumming in my opinion. Also plenty of point in it could of been funnier if it was a laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Ratwhite Posted May 12, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Traf said: Howard, You could have called me a cunt publicly on here, rather than sending me a private message. Rattled? xxx Straightener outside ticket office 👀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 This business about both Anderson and Fildraw applying for administration. Does anyone know how it's decided e.g. first come first served? decided by a judge? And what are the criteria for deciding which of the applications are accepted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepingindian Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Hoppy510 said: This business about both Anderson and Fildraw applying for administration. Does anyone know how it's decided e.g. first come first served? decided by a judge? And what are the criteria for deciding which of the applications are accepted? cant see whyb they dont just share the cost. needs to be done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ10 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Didn’t Anderson apply for hotel and Fildraw for BWFC and that’s why they both applied? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Faustus Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Profession includes association with a professional body does it not? Trade based purely on experience and qualifications? Not dissing either btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howardroark Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Carlos said: Howard, do us a favour love and close the door on your way out. PR isn’t a trade, it’s made up bullshit. Ah the old misogyny lives on. Political Scientist is the trade. I suppose my question to you is would you consider being a nonse to be your profession, or are you a professional nonse? Or are they the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howardroark Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 3 hours ago, lowcarbon said: I was taken in by Howard's comments earlier in this thread, he/she made a lot a sense at the time, with some big words and tricks of the trade, as such. Now several weeks later, his/her comments appear to be best guesswork and some we will possibly be never know how accurate he/she was. As it stands now, quite a few of the statements have not materialised and/or been totally misleading. Is or has Howard been working on behalf of someone else, just to keep us fans happy, or some other alternative outcome, we may never know. I for one think Howard should come clean, tell us who and why he or she is working this thread for, in the fashion up to now. At the moment I think he is just here as a WUM. Do you know, that in 3 months, only 2 people have asked me privately who I am, Casino and Andrew Gartside. Both of whom I have been very open with. Don’t forget, you can always find a distraction if you are looking for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebster Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Howardroark said: Do you know, that in 3 months, only 2 people have asked me privately who I am, Casino and Andrew Gartside. Both of whom I have been very open with. Don’t forget, you can always find a distraction if you are looking for one. Howard, perhaps many have tried to ask, but unfortunately we can't message you directly to ask as its says that you cannot receive messages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowcarbon Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 You cannot receive messages. So how is one to ask privately?? On reflection, I really don't care who you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcookie Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, Jeebster said: Howard, perhaps many have tried to ask, but unfortunately we can't message you directly to ask as its says that you cannot receive messages Yep I’ve done the same also recently .. is there a platform where we can personally ask you then @Howardroark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jcookie said: Yep I’ve done the same also recently .. is there a platform where we can personally ask you then @Howardroark? http://bfy.tw/Ncsa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 1 hour ago, JJ10 said: Didn’t Anderson apply for hotel and Fildraw for BWFC and that’s why they both applied? That was my thinking too. The BluMarble charge was set against the hotel, and the settlement of it created unleveraged assets that Mr Anderson immediately set a charge against. Michael James also has charges against Bolton Whites Hotel Ltd and would also probably explained why he is seeking to appoint an Administrator for that too. Fildraw's application also covers Burnden Leisure, whereas I believe KA's only applies to the hotel and the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantra Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 33 minutes ago, Howardroark said: Do you know, that in 3 months, only 2 people have asked me privately who I am, Casino and Andrew Gartside. Both of whom I have been very open with. Don’t forget, you can always find a distraction if you are looking for one. You’ve been asked publicly a few times to be fair but seemed shy to the idea so people probably assumed you’d be the same in a private message too, with regard to your identity. i don’t think people are interested in the specifics of who you are but just more on what your role is/was. I know you explained before that you were trying to discredit FV’s bid for your own group’s gain amongst other things, like Bassini being a spanner in the works. But if you could be more open about your role then and now people might trust you more. Are you here now as a fan who’s passing on the rest of the info that you have? Or are you still in a role associated with buying the club? You made a few correct predictions at the start so your trust-level was high but what was the whole thing with the Moonshift debt and your group buying it and planning to take Ken’s shares? Was that ever an option? I know you said Ken challenged the legitimacy or the share recall, was that true? Or... Was it all a ploy trying to get Ken to shit himself when he saw the plan on the forum and then would give you a better deal? You seemed very confident at one point it would happen. Then said the world changes, what changed so much that took the option off the table and if it was such a good option why didn’t any other serious bidder take the option such as the Chinese consortium? Are you in a position where you know less now as your group are out of the running? Or are you still “ITK” about what’s going on? People can choose what to believe from what you say but I think people trusted you less after the Moonshift debt wasn’t bought out as you suggested. To me and others, you seem to know more than most about our situation but I’m pretty clueless about all this Merger and Acquisition stuff so what you’re saying could all be over my head whether true or false. Others have taken your predictions that haven’t come true as meaning you are a WUM, I’m sure you can understand why they would think that? As I’ve said previously we’ve had so much misinformation and false hope over the years in our fall from grace that you can’t blame people for being cynical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowcarbon Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 What Mantra said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowcarbon Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Howardroark said: Don’t forget, you can always find a distraction if you are looking for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Howardroark said: Do you know, that in 3 months, only 2 people have asked me privately who I am, Casino and Andrew Gartside. Both of whom I have been very open with. Don’t forget, you can always find a distraction if you are looking for one. I've enjoyed your narrative as much as anybody and thank you for it. I'm not sure why you think people should be asking you about your personal details though is somehow of relevance, as if (like me for instance) they don't believe everything they read on the forum by some random contributor, then why would they suddenly believe something said by the same person by personnel message to be gospel? As they say it is better to travel hopefully than to arrive. I've very much enjoyed your company as my/our travel companion but I regret that if you are pm-ing people calling them a cunt simply because they don't wish to believe what you post on a footy forum (of a team you seemingly aren't even a fan of) then I think you are close to your destination on this particular journey. If you are stepping off soon then I'd like to thank you for all your informed knowledge and input over the last few months and wish you well in the future. Edited May 12, 2019 by Sluffy grammar errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantra Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: Tbd Howard has been pretty up front. Just because the club has gone tits up it doesn't mean he is at fault, most shizzle he has come out with out has been Bob on. Yeah every Fucker has asked the same questions, hes been patient and this thread wouldn't be 600+ pages if it wasn't for him. Now I'm a Fucker and call every dodgy Fucker a cunt, and the cunts i call include Tank Top and Parkinson. There are optimist and pessamist, ask yourself which one Howard is? Personally I haven't got a bastard clue regarding administration but at least Howard has put some clarity on the situation. If I say I'm team Howard, I'm talking the big bang theory 😀 Can’t say I disagree with you, merely putting out the points for why people are mistrusting him. I’ve said before H shouldn’t take people’s cynicism personally but if H wants less abuse and more trust then there are questions to be answered that could probably help with that. If H doesn’t want to answer them then it’s fine by me, as you say he has been very patient answering questions and I’m sure there’s certain things he can’t answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebster Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 I haven't got an issue with Howard, I think he /she has been helpful & informative and is obviously quite close to what's going on - but doesn't know everything, but knows more than the average poster - he / she said that that only 2 people have asked via DM who he / she is....but that is incorrect, loads have asked on here numerous times & loads have tried to DM but no one (obviously apart from Casino & Andrew Gartside) still have any idea. I just don't understand his / her post about only 2 people have asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndens Bogs Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Howardroark said: Ah the old misogyny lives on. Political Scientist is the trade. I suppose my question to you is would you consider being a nonse to be your profession, or are you a professional nonse? Or are they the same thing? And i've been spelling it as "Nonce" for as long as i can remember. I'm no expert on the subject though, so i stand to be corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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