bwfcfan5 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 25 minutes ago, Okocha10 said: This is what I’ve heard from a person from who works at the hotel who got told this off the hotel manager could be all bullshit this so don’t class is a fact. Supposedly FV have made an offer for the hotel of £250k but Quantuma want £1m that’s including Micheal James debt he’s owed. Bassini has shown no proof what so ever of Sullivan’s money he’s rang up a couple of creditors saying he will pay 100% of what the creditors are owed. When the creditors has asked proof of this he was stuttering & kept saying give me time. Senior managers in the hotel are about to leave also Of all the stuff on here I think this is closest to truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damocles Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Flidraw are in this for themselves not for anyone else. They could apply for a change in the admins as they have a qualifying charge. But unless they can prove categorically that there is negligence or some other form of malpractice the court won’t intervene if that I’m sure. If your scenario was true why have they not acted? Either because it’s not happened or they gab insufficient legal leverage. ‘This all relies on the predication that Larry has the money unequivocally which is where the hypothesis falls down IMO I think that many are waiting to see if he does indeed have the money. But again, why would he go to such effort? Likewise he does indeed have the backing of Dave Richards.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damocles Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 28 minutes ago, Okocha10 said: This is what I’ve heard from a person from who works at the hotel who got told this off the hotel manager could be all bullshit this so don’t class is a fact. Supposedly FV have made an offer for the hotel of £250k but Quantuma want £1m that’s including Micheal James debt he’s owed. Bassini has shown no proof what so ever of Sullivan’s money he’s rang up a couple of creditors saying he will pay 100% of what the creditors are owed. When the creditors has asked proof of this he was stuttering & kept saying give me time. Senior managers in the hotel are about to leave also That doesn’t leave much for Kenneth. I believe there have been bids in excess of £8M? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Damocles said: I think that many are waiting to see if he does indeed have the money. But again, why would he go to such effort? Likewise he does indeed have the backing of Dave Richards.... If he had the money would be not be publicly demonstrating this and I don’t mean a shit email I mean get serious people in the public eye and also get the backing of one of the secured creditors publicly. Until I see it I won’t believe he’s a chance of getting it but I do think there is some merit in asking him to show once and for all his hand. Then let those owed money make the decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Banks Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 This whole situation is very worrying, FV appear to be dithering whether to complete or not. Bassini is rocking the boat. If it’s not sorted in the next few days it’s entirely possible that the EFL will kick us out because we won’t be able to fund the club going forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakey Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Damocles said: Likewise he does indeed have the backing of Dave Richards.... Apparently one of the defence's submissions was a statement from 'Sir Dave Rich'. Any idea what it was? Could have been "Never heard of him, he's a mentalist". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Damocles said: I think that many are waiting to see if he does indeed have the money. But again, why would he go to such effort? Likewise he does indeed have the backing of Dave Richards.... If he has the backing of Dave Richards why did Dave Richards supply a statement to the judge on Wednesday on behalf of Inner Circle Investments? The content of which was not divulged but certainly seemed to cause a stir..... When are people waking up to what Bassini claims and reality are chasms apart. We saw his written offer to admins in screenshots from his emails and it was £12.5M not the full settlement he was going on about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 minute ago, wakey said: Apparently one of the defence's submissions was a statement from 'Sir Dave Rich'. Any idea what it was? Could have been "Get away from me you big spastic, you're a mentalist". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, RoadRunnerFan said: Let's imagine I am staying in Linton travel tavern. If I wish to watch the film 'Bangkok Chick Boys' when the option comes up to 'Watch Bangkok Chick Boys?' I tick the box that say 'Yes' , if I do not wish to watch this film I tick the box that says 'No.' So if I tick the box that says 'Yes' I do not expect to watch 'Driving Miss Daisy' instead. If you say that you think only three posters 'are the only sane ones on here at times' then by definition you think the others are not sane, at times. Though you say your inference of insanity is aimed at 'one or two.' So your reasoning doesn't stack up unless the forum only has five members, three sane ones plus the two in denial of reality, which is demonstrably horseshit. Ill leave it at that. 🙂 If you take the trouble to scroll back before my original post you will note that both hughmungus and Mounts both again had a go at the Administrator for not strengthening the team by bringing in new signings for todays game to which Roscoe posted - 6 hours ago, Ros Coe said: I am absolutely gobsmacked that after 995 pages some people still do not understand the process that we are going through 😤 Cartman this - 5 hours ago, Cartman2932 said: You must be on a WUM surely? It's not the administrators job to sign players, they are working on behalf of the creditors. FV haven't yet bought the club so cant sign players. It's either wait for FV to complete and be in this limbo until then (but still have a club) or FV pull out and liquidate at which point we have no club. How is it that difficult to understand? and this - 4 hours ago, Cartman2932 said: The club is dead, not dying. CPR is being performed and we are hoping for a miracle before a doctor arrives to pronounce it. There is no point demanding anything as there really is nothing that can be done that isn't already being done. It's a miracle we have played the games we have this season as it is. The takeover does need to happen as soon as possible but that won't bring lots of new signings as there is no money and that is why we are where we are. and Escobarp this - 4 hours ago, Escobarp said: Wasting your time mate trying to explain to some folk and this - 5 hours ago, Escobarp said: There is no money available. Zero. Not a bean. Club is struggling to keep itself going as it is they simply don’t have funds to bring in or pay anymore players. This IS NOT the fault of the administrators it really isn’t. They have their hands and legs tied and aren’t taking money out of the club they will get paid at the end of process. Hope this helps And Roscoe again - 5 hours ago, Ros Coe said: ^ THIS! The problem is if you try and reason with an idiot they bring you down to their level.. Benny then posted about his fear of the club since Bassini's intervention and FV possibly walking away now, to which 90% or so of my reply responded to. My closing, 'throwaway' lines in my post if you will, was to set that fear of not even having a club soon against the absurdity of hard-line deniers of reality who despite the 995 pages on this thread to that time - and the vast understanding by most on here now who better understand the reality of what the club is facing - still demanding someone spend money that isn't there strengthening a team that no one owns - with my exasperated comment. Clearly I wasn't aiming it at anyone other than the two reality deniers I've named above and who have been criticised/ridiculed/given up on, by the posters I've quoted above. You've completely overlooked why I've referenced all of the above comments posted at the time in my summing up of my post to Benny as to hard 'reality' on the one hand compared to the needs of fantasy 'money trees' on the other and why the likes of Benny's, Escobarp's insights into the way forward was 'sane' compared to the likes of what others are demanding should be done like signing players right here, right now. Mate, you've made a mountain out of nothing really, you've taken the line out of context to my post and my post out of context to what was being said leading up to it. I repeat I was not intending to do a disservice to anyone - you've just read into my post something that simply was not there. However I still accept the blame if you or anyone else could not understand what I had implied I must remember to spell things out even clearer next time to stop such misunderstandings occurring in future. Edited August 17, 2019 by Sluffy Grammar errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damocles Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 37 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: If he has the backing of Dave Richards why did Dave Richards supply a statement to the judge on Wednesday on behalf of Inner Circle Investments? The content of which was not divulged but certainly seemed to cause a stir..... When are people waking up to what Bassini claims and reality are chasms apart. We saw his written offer to admins in screenshots from his emails and it was £12.5M not the full settlement he was going on about... I don’t know that it was to ICI? Do you have a reference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Custodiet Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, RoadRunnerFan said: Yourself and all of the above post sensible stuff on this issue, setting aside Chris' apparent expectation that sports journalists should also be finance experts. Though you are doing a massive disservice to many on here with that comment. Ever wonder why you find yourself explaining the same thing repeatedly? That kind of stuff makes people stop reading imo. Don't be daft. I object to sports journalists who pretend to be finance experts. I object to sports journalists who publish half-truths and untruths. I object to sports journalists who wilfully go round trying to stir up the emotions of the financially unschooled or ignorant. And I also object to journalists who, without any hesitation or thought, climb on high horses and regurgitate the nonsense of other financially illiterate journalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, RoadRunnerFan said: Let's imagine I am staying in Linton travel tavern. If I wish to watch the film 'Bangkok Chick Boys' when the option comes up to 'Watch Bangkok Chick Boys?' I tick the box that says 'Yes' , if I do not wish to watch this film I tick the box that says 'No.' So if I tick the box that says 'Yes', I do not expect to watch 'Driving Miss Daisy' instead. If you say that you think only three posters 'are the only sane ones on here at times' then by definition you think the others are not sane, at times. Though you say your inference of insanity is aimed at 'one or two.' So your reasoning doesn't stack up unless the forum only has five members, three sane ones plus the two in denial of reality, which is demonstrably horseshit. I'll leave it at that. 🙂 During my time on business in the Czech Republic, I was asked to ‘look after’ a senior member of staff to show him the progress I’d made. I took responsibility for all costs ie. hotels restaurants etc. When I came to pay the bill for his room, I queried a couple of ‘extra’ charges. 1. The porn channel 2. A charge for an extra visitor to the room (a prostitute) We never did discuss it and it was easy to get the expenses through the FD because generally they are quite naive. Sorry to go off track but that happened a long time ago. Edit. Forgot to mention that it was in Brno. Edited August 17, 2019 by Boby Brno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, Damocles said: I don’t know that it was to ICI? Do you have a reference? From Iles blog from court - 1:08pm The defendants have put forward statements from EFL lawyer, Nick Craig, Paul Aldridge and Sir Dave Richards, among others. https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17835758.bolton-wanderers-takeover-balance---live-high-court-blog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, Chris Custodiet said: Don't be daft. I object to sports journalists who pretend to be finance experts. I object to sports journalists who publish half-truths and untruths. I object to sports journalists who wilfully go round trying to stir up the emotions of the financially unschooled or ignorant. And I also object to journalists who, without any hesitation or thought, climb on high horses and regurgitate the nonsense of other financially illiterate journalists. I object to all that too, I do accept we have to cut them some slack on a lot of stuff because they are well out of their comfort zones. I don't think it's 'daft' to ask that subject matter experts like yourself do likewise. Don't let your crusade become your raison d'etra because sadly it detracts from the rest of your content which is informative. The irony is that you have made it your agenda to call out others for having an agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakey Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 BBC RM caller: I want to know where the money's gone from all these ticket sales Gowling: I don't know Caller: I want to know where it's gone Gowing: don't know Caller: Where's it gone? Jaysus, hard work is this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted August 17, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2019 16 hours ago, Casino said: Which bits not accurate When you've finished I'll paste it on here and class can decide Ah, just found the tweet you're referring to. Fair enough. He has a point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cheese said: Ah, just found the tweet you're referring to. Fair enough. He has a point though. Just saying what everyone is thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okocha10 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, wakey said: BBC RM caller: I want to know where the money's gone from all these ticket sales Gowling: I don't know Caller: I want to know where it's gone Gowing: don't know Caller: Where's it gone? Jaysus, hard work is this. That is a good point though because we’re only paying for 3 senior players & the youth players now, with the ticket sales we have sold we must be making a profit surely. So where is this money going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Okocha10 said: That is a good point though because we’re only paying for 3 senior players & the youth players now, with the ticket sales we have sold we must be making a profit surely. So where is this money going? Does it really matter. Maybe the administrator's are spending it on expensive hotels, booze and prostitutes 😎? Its a mess but hopefully when this hotel lot make their mind up who is the preferred there then things should happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted August 17, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Okocha10 said: That is a good point though because we’re only paying for 3 senior players & the youth players now, with the ticket sales we have sold we must be making a profit surely. So where is this money going? To the Administrators, who are effectively running the club until a decision is made. They'll be using that money to keep things ticking over. Edited August 17, 2019 by Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breightmet Boy Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Okocha10 said: That is a good point though because we’re only paying for 3 senior players & the youth players now, with the ticket sales we have sold we must be making a profit surely. So where is this money going? We’ve only played one home game out of four, and the crowd wasn’t huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okocha10 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Breightmet Boy said: We’ve only played one home game out of four, and the crowd wasn’t huge. Don’t we get a percentage from away ticket sales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breightmet Boy Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Okocha10 said: Don’t we get a percentage from away ticket sales? I should imagine we do, most of it I’d say, but it’s hardly going to pay the administrators and solicitors fees off by a long chalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, Okocha10 said: Don’t we get a percentage from away ticket sales? 5% How much is that? £15,000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, Okocha10 said: Don’t we get a percentage from away ticket sales? 5% commission when we pre-sell them so essentially nowt from Wycombe and today, though we’d have got half of the receipts from the Rochdale game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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