Take Over

[MickyD]

4 minutes ago, Pricey said:

We should name a stand after him, not you sluffy, I mean Howard : ) but you've hit the nail on the head

I've already named my seat in West Stand Lower after him. How 'ard are those when you've been sat there for an hour?

[Popeye doyle]

20 minutes ago, Pricey said:

 

This one please pal

😂 I'll do my best

[Pricey]

Just now, Big Johnny said:

What About Toilet Block H....

haha he deserves more than that, maybe set up a little kiosk that sells Cinzano

[darrener]

6 minutes ago, Pricey said:

We should name a stand after him, not you sluffy, I mean Howard : ) but you've hit the nail on the head

Howard's end? 

[jules_darby]

12 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

Not sure why Howard seems to be taking so much flack?

I can't remember H ever promising/guaranteeing that his outcome would be nailed on has he?

He kicked off here proving details to Casino, who vouched for him.  I've known Casino on forums for probably the best part of 14 or 15 years or what ever it is, and I respect him greatly fwiw although I wouldn't know him from Adam in real life.  So if Casino says he's on the level that's good enough for me.  Since then though I know he's given out in private details of his source and today Benny also has confirmed that 'Dark Horse' really does exist.

Most of what he's predicted happened - and often in direct contradiction to what Iles and Nixon were loudly proclaiming WAS happening - imminently so!

Seems everything was going along as we were told up to today when it seems a technicality on serving the notice as arisen and been challenged - nobody saw that coming really did they?

Howard even told us that if the EFL was left with a choice between a seemingly dodgy owner and a club being liquidated, they would take a chance with the dodgy owner (maybe that's why we ended up with DH and KA in the first place!).

Sure people are right not to trust a bloke on the internet - and I've said all along that personally I am more than happy to be told by H what is going to happen but wait to see for myself that it actually does - that's not to say H is somehow unbelievable or untrustworthy or anything - just how I am.

Fine if people's held doubts over him but I think he's being treated a bit harshly by some, when he's basically been the only reliable news in town for the last 3 weeks (Christ our esteemed local journalists have either quit their job to go and watch City or jumped on a plane to Mexico for a birthday piss up - which shows how much they bleed BWFC like the rest of us do!).

I've thoroughly enjoyed the ride H has taken us on since he arrived and hope we haven't arrived at our final destination yet.

Carry on informing us to what will be unfolding in the hours/days/weeks to come H and accept that no matter how you may try you will never please all of the people all of the time.

 

Ah stop being so fucking sensitive; he’s hardly had a load of flack has he. Jesus Twatting wept

Oh and I do know Casino in real life.........it’s not a blessing 

[Boothy]

Sluffy has enjoyed the ride Howard has given him. Homoerotica at its finest. 

[JJ10]

Howard, do we expect any news tomorrow? How do you see this playing out from here on in? What’s your hunch.? Think everyone’s keen to know. 

[wakey]

26 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

Not sure why Howard seems to be taking so much flack?

I can't remember H ever promising/guaranteeing that his outcome would be nailed on has he?

He kicked off here proving details to Casino, who vouched for him.  I've known Casino on forums for probably the best part of 14 or 15 years or what ever it is, and I respect him greatly fwiw although I wouldn't know him from Adam in real life.  So if Casino says he's on the level that's good enough for me.  Since then though I know he's given out in private details of his source and today Benny also has confirmed that 'Dark Horse' really does exist.

Most of what he's predicted happened - and often in direct contradiction to what Iles and Nixon were loudly proclaiming WAS happening - imminently so!

Seems everything was going along as we were told up to today when it seems a technicality on serving the notice as arisen and been challenged - nobody saw that coming really did they?

Howard even told us that if the EFL was left with a choice between a seemingly dodgy owner and a club being liquidated, they would take a chance with the dodgy owner (maybe that's why we ended up with DH and KA in the first place!).

Sure people are right not to trust a bloke on the internet - and I've said all along that personally I am more than happy to be told by H what is going to happen but wait to see for myself that it actually does - that's not to say H is somehow unbelievable or untrustworthy or anything - just how I am.

Fine if people's held doubts over him but I think he's being treated a bit harshly by some, when he's basically been the only reliable news in town for the last 3 weeks (Christ our esteemed local journalists have either quit their job to go and watch City or jumped on a plane to Mexico for a birthday piss up - which shows how much they bleed BWFC like the rest of us do!).

I've thoroughly enjoyed the ride H has taken us on since he arrived and hope we haven't arrived at our final destination yet.

Carry on informing us to what will be unfolding in the hours/days/weeks to come H and accept that no matter how you may try you will never please all of the people all of the time.

 

don't think Howard's taking any flack, and pretty sure most of us are enjoying his input.

As for accuracy, like owt else, the proof'll be in the pudding.

The last couple of days have left my confidence in H a bit wobbly. We've been told all along H's lot are serious and credible. As D-day nears, we're told they were thinking of accepting brass from Bassini to step aside and that they're thinking of blobbing cos Ken's being a bit of a dick. Both raise doubts as to how serious they are.

We're also told Ken's questioning the notice period because it was sent to the 'wrong' address. Raises doubts as to how credible they are.

Sincerely hope Howard's along shortly to dispel all my doubts, but to me this is starting to sound far less convincing the nearer we get to D-day.

[Howardroark]

5 minutes ago, JJ10 said:

Howard, do we expect any news tomorrow? How do you see this playing out from here on in? What’s your hunch.? Think everyone’s keen to know. 

Well Bassini hasn’t yet set up a legal entity through which to buy the business (like first ventures) so that’s an immediate red flag to anything imminent. 

What I think is happening is that KA is just trying to buy time to get the Bassini deal over the line because he truly believes he has the cash. The problem with him doing that is that he gives the only serious buyer there has ever been the ability to simply walk away (because the share redemption date would be too late if they agreed to his complaint about non-receipt). That being said, maybe KA needs rid of that buyer to get EFL on-board. 

Honestly my gut suggests he will chance his arm and take the liquidation order, only to sell within the 7 days. Alternatively, Bassini may find the funds to allow KA to put the club in to admin, remove the WU risk and shed some debt. 

Note- the shares couldn’t be transferred to mystery buyer if the business is in administration.

 

[wakey]

1 minute ago, Howardroark said:

Note- the shares couldn’t be transferred to mystery buyer if the business is in administration.

Surely they'll be transferred tomorrow Howard as per the agreement (Ken and Moonshift and subsequent novation). Nowt Ken does should stop that, surely he could only challenge after it's happened not stop it. Which means unless Ken puts it into admin first thing before your mob act, there's nowt he can do to stop it.

 

[Jcookie]

4 minutes ago, Howardroark said:

Well Bassini hasn’t yet set up a legal entity through which to buy the business (like first ventures) so that’s an immediate red flag to anything imminent. 

What I think is happening is that KA is just trying to buy time to get the Bassini deal over the line because he truly believes he has the cash. The problem with him doing that is that he gives the only serious buyer there has ever been the ability to simply walk away (because the share redemption date would be too late if they agreed to his complaint about non-receipt). That being said, maybe KA needs rid of that buyer to get EFL on-board. 

Honestly my gut suggests he will chance his arm and take the liquidation order, only to sell within the 7 days. Alternatively, Bassini may find the funds to allow KA to put the club in to admin, remove the WU risk and shed some debt. 

Note- the shares couldn’t be transferred to mystery buyer if the business is in administration.

 

Thanks for the update! Have they accepted his point on the non-receipt? When will we ever know if they have agreed to his claims or not? 4:30 tomorrow? So all about waiting and seeing?

Edited April 1, 2019 by Jcookie

[Razaldo9]

3 minutes ago, Howardroark said:

Well Bassini hasn’t yet set up a legal entity through which to buy the business (like first ventures) so that’s an immediate red flag to anything imminent. 

What I think is happening is that KA is just trying to buy time to get the Bassini deal over the line because he truly believes he has the cash. The problem with him doing that is that he gives the only serious buyer there has ever been the ability to simply walk away (because the share redemption date would be too late if they agreed to his complaint about non-receipt). That being said, maybe KA needs rid of that buyer to get EFL on-board. 

Honestly my gut suggests he will chance his arm and take the liquidation order, only to sell within the 7 days. Alternatively, Bassini may find the funds to allow KA to put the club in to admin, remove the WU risk and shed some debt. 

Note- the shares couldn’t be transferred to mystery buyer if the business is in administration.

 

So your group don't think they will be able to call the shares in tomorrow?

When will they know for sure?

[JJ10]

 

3 minutes ago, Howardroark said:

Well Bassini hasn’t yet set up a legal entity through which to buy the business (like first ventures) so that’s an immediate red flag to anything imminent. 

What I think is happening is that KA is just trying to buy time to get the Bassini deal over the line because he truly believes he has the cash. The problem with him doing that is that he gives the only serious buyer there has ever been the ability to simply walk away (because the share redemption date would be too late if they agreed to his complaint about non-receipt). That being said, maybe KA needs rid of that buyer to get EFL on-board. 

Honestly my gut suggests he will chance his arm and take the liquidation order, only to sell within the 7 days. Alternatively, Bassini may find the funds to allow KA to put the club in to admin, remove the WU risk and shed some debt. 

Note- the shares couldn’t be transferred to mystery buyer if the business is in administration.

 

Thanks Howard. 

And what if they don’t accept his complaint of non receipt?

Who decides if his complaint is valid or not? 

Is taking the shares tomorrow completely out of the question now??

[Howardroark]

4 minutes ago, wakey said:

don't think Howard's taking any flack, and pretty sure most of us are enjoying his input.

As for accuracy, like owt else, the proof'll be in the pudding.

The last couple of days have left my confidence in H a bit wobbly. We've been told all along H's lot are serious and credible. As D-day nears, we're told they were thinking of accepting brass from Bassini to step aside and that they're thinking of blobbing cos Ken's being a bit of a dick. Both raise doubts as to how serious they are.

We're also told Ken's questioning the notice period because it was sent to the 'wrong' address. Raises doubts as to how credible they are.

Sincerely hope Howard's along shortly to dispel all my doubts, but to me this is starting to sound far less convincing the nearer we get to D-day.

In respect of the wrong address, that’s KA’s claim not mine. 

In respect of accepting the funds, a fundamental of being successful is having a feel for when to walk away, Laurence Bassini being involved and the subsequent press gave a lot of people a lot of concern. To walk away with a few million for essentially nothing and with reputations in tact, that might be considered a victory. These people owe the club nothing.

[Howardroark]

2 minutes ago, wakey said:

Surely they'll be transferred tomorrow Howard as per the agreement (Ken and Moonshift and subsequent novation). Nowt Ken does should stop that, surely he could only challenge after it's happened not stop it. Which means unless Ken puts it into admin first thing before your mob act, there's nowt he can do to stop it.

 

Redemption of a securitised asset comes with all kinds of legal mandates allowing for a challenge if processes are not followed to the letter of the law. KA can and will seek an injunction preventing it. His attempts to buy it have failed.

[wakey]

Just now, Howardroark said:

In respect of the wrong address, that’s KA’s claim not mine. 

In respect of accepting the funds, a fundamental of being successful is having a feel for when to walk away, Laurence Bassini being involved and the subsequent press gave a lot of people a lot of concern. To walk away with a few million for essentially nothing and with reputations in tact, that might be considered a victory. These people owe the club nothing. 

I'm struggling to understand what's changed from their original plan (assuming they knew and fully expected Ken would dick about). None of the circus in the last few days changes anything.

[SilentBob]

1 minute ago, Howardroark said:

In respect of the wrong address, that’s KA’s claim not mine. 

In respect of accepting the funds, a fundamental of being successful is having a feel for when to walk away, Laurence Bassini being involved and the subsequent press gave a lot of people a lot of concern. To walk away with a few million for essentially nothing and with reputations in tact, that might be considered a victory. These people owe the club nothing.

Why do you keep dodging the question about whether or not they're on track for tomorrow still and when we'll find out about Ken and the wrong address stuff? No doubt you have other stuff to do, but it's literally been asked time and time again. Should we be expecting any change tomorrow? A statement? Shares taken back and fight Ken's excuse later? 

[Howardroark]

5 minutes ago, Jcookie said:

Thanks for the update! Have they accepted his point on the non-receipt? When will we ever know if they have agreed to his claims or not? 4:30 tomorrow? So all about waiting and seeing?

It’s not about them agreeing, it’s about if KA can get a judge to delay it.

[Jeebster]

Howard, I sincerely respect everything that you have posted & do not doubt your integrity - however, my personal view is that I don't think that your bidders are that serious.

If they seriously have deep pockets & really wanted the club - they would not let anything that KA has done to date affect their bid, surely they should have known that dealing with someone such as Anderson would have been like this....everyone knows the type of despicable person he is, and that he doesn't give a toss about the club, players, staff, fans etc....he's only ever been in this for himself and surely your bidders are not naïve enough to not have known this.

[Howardroark]

6 minutes ago, Razaldo9 said:

So your group don't think they will be able to call the shares in tomorrow?

When will they know for sure?

What they won’t do is anything detrimental to their reputation. They wouldn’t seek to go through a public court process with Ken Anderson.

[Jcookie]

Just now, Howardroark said:

It’s not about them agreeing, it’s about if KA can get a judge to delay it.

Surely he has got to get the judge to agree before the deadline tomorrow when your bidders can take the shares?

[darrener]

Just now, Jeebster said:

Howard, I sincerely respect everything that you have posted & do not doubt your integrity - however, my personal view is that I don't think that your bidders are that serious.

If they seriously have deep pockets & really wanted the club - they would not let anything that KA has done to date affect their bid, surely they should have known that dealing with someone such as Anderson would have been like this....everyone knows the type of despicable person he is, and that he doesn't give a toss about the club, players, staff, fans etc....he's only ever been in this for himself and surely your bidders are not naïve enough to not have known this.

That's why they didn't deal with him personally, they went through Moonshift 

[SilentBob]

1 minute ago, Howardroark said:

It’s not about them agreeing, it’s about if KA can get a judge to delay it.

That's what has been asked all day though. Can he do it by tomorrow when they're due to be taken? 

[WestStandUpper]

1 minute ago, Howardroark said:

What they won’t do is anything detrimental to their reputation. They wouldn’t seek to go through a public court process with Ken Anderson.

Why would they need to go through court?

4.30pm tomorrow as it stands, is still the time and situation for your boys to swoop isn’t it? 

[Steejay]

I presume KA was aware that the shares would be recalled and he was aware that notice would be served. In this case, although the onus is on Moonshift/MB to correctly serve the paperwork, it’s a pathetic excuse for him to not make his whereabouts known. Surely this bollocks will be seen as no better than ‘Sorry Sir, the dog ate my homework ‘.