Tombwfc Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, SilentBob said: I think we're all hoping that's the case. It was just odd that the only questions being asked were to Howard for more info, not actually questioning what he was saying. Custard tried that, it was more boring than people asking Howard the same question over and over again. Question him and try to catch him out all day, you'll not get any closer to finding out what % of what he says is true, so what's the point? Take it for what it is. Edited April 4, 2019 by Tombwfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 4, 2019 Moderators Share Posted April 4, 2019 Fwiw, I have Howard's men in 3rd place Bassini in second Oh, and liquidation a very poor 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentBob Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Tombwfc said: Custard tried that, it was more boring than people asking Howard the same question over and over again. Question him and try to catch him out all day, you'll not get any closer to finding out what % of what he says is true, so what's the point? Take it for what it is. That's the point though, it wasn't to try and catch him out. It was for more details, I suppose. But the questions I asked got a dodgy reply most of the time, which I just put down to him being questioned 24/7. I only asked for the general consensus earlier and he didn't like the fact some people don't believe him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndens Bogs Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 I'm getting the feeling H has been rumbled, fair play to him though he held court for a couple of weeks - what was the point though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Stupid response from Howard that and not going to hold sway on here. Almost megson like in his mocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briannz Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Mr/Mrs/Miss/Master Howard, Looks like you’ve gone from hero to zero in a matter of a few pages on here,I think that may be a record..........well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 From the very outset, he/she had a clear plan/agenda in place. "I'm only coming on here to keep you all informed about the takeover and I'm leaving when it's done" I've already said elsewhere that he/she is only to slowly drip feed rumours/soundbites for members of BWFC's largest forum (which is undoubtedly why he chose it) to lap up and then spread amongst their friends. His/her version of how it will play has changed massively several times and we might have better off had he just f**ked off like I invited him to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentBob Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Traf said: From the very outset, he/she had a clear plan/agenda in place. "I'm only coming on here to keep you all informed about the takeover and I'm leaving when it's done" I've already said elsewhere that he/she is only to slowly drip feed rumours/soundbites for members of BWFC's largest forum (which is undoubtedly why he chose it) to lap up and then spread amongst their friends. His/her version of how it will play has changed massively several times and we might have better off had he just f**ked off like I invited him to. To be fair, you're one of the very few I've seen with open scepticism throughout. Most others are only here because of him and to read his posts (myself included, until he started nowty after a few specific questions), so it's understandable they're more likely to follow along and agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 1 minute ago, SilentBob said: To be fair, you're one of the very few I've seen with open scepticism throughout. You do have to temper that with the fact that I'm a miserable sceptical old cunt normally. (just getting that in before Sweep or some other chip-bearing yokel pipes up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 30 minutes ago, Roger_Dubuis said: Chris Custodiet questioned him and was hounded by several people who wanted to believe Howard and have Chris banned from the site for doubting him I'm very pleased someone as mentioned this already - more than a few people were calling for Chris to be banned because he quite rightly question the detail of what H had said. Talk about some being fickle. Howards clearly here for a reason - most of us worked of us worked that out from day one - but it doesn't mean that some/most/all of what he says is bollocks - far from it - there's plenty on here that confirm his knowledge of A&M is informed and knowledgeable and he has most certainly been in front of the curve in plenty things he (I refer to him as he because he once denied being female and it saves messing about post 'he/she/it' every time I want to refer to him) has predicted. I've thoroughly enjoyed his narrative so far and really hopes he continues with it. It is up to people then to believe what they want from it and to what the reasons are he has for sharing it. I want the best possible outcome for BWFC, I'm sure we all do, so I'm happy listening to H's tale and hope most of it will happen - but as I've said many times I will wait to see first if it does, that's how I've been brought up to think. Some people though seem to be all in - either H is totally right about everything, or totally wrong, when clearly it is some way between the two. I rather have H onboard with us and have his narrative and a better understanding of what may or may not be the paths we are heading to, then to pissing him off and having him walk away by calling him a liar/cunt and asking him the same bleeding questions over, and over, and over again because people (particularly it seems to me several of the newer posters) can't be arsed to go back to the last time they were on (or even a couple of pages back from the latest post on the thread) and catch up on what has been asked and answered many times already! Would the thread be better off without H's input - no it wouldn't. Ask him questions by all means (as long as they haven't been asked and answered already) accept that he has a motive for being here and that not everything he says is guaranteed to happen, or has been said for reasons other than what on the face of it they appear to be and use the brain God give you to work out the wheat from the chaff that is being presented to us. Let's not drive away the golden goose because of the occasional bad egg. I would just like to add I respect Traf immensely but I don't agree with him that H should go but rather believe some of the ones he's attracted here asking the same questions that have been asked and answered several times already are more the issue that needs to be addressed instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentBob Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sluffy said: I would just like to add I respect Traf immensely but I don't agree with him that H should go but rather believe some of the ones he's attracted here asking the same questions that have been asked and answered several times already are more the issue that needs to be addressed instead. This is in response to Sluffy's full response, but I'll save everybody's eyes and not quote the whole thing. I completely agree with most of what you've said and I've said it multiple times myself - What Howard has said currently and in the past does seem to add up well and they obviously know what they're talking about. I also understand that being questioned 24/7 must be a pain in the arse, but it's obviously part of what they came here to do in spreading information. Most people have been asking the same thing over and over again, and I'm sure if you look at my posts I have probably asked 1/2 questions that were already answered, but for the most part I'd asked for more details or clarification etc. Instead of that, I got told I was challenging his integrity almost every time or that I was trying to further my own interests. Why would I want to disprove someone saying we might have a consortium of big players coming in to pay all debts and bills and set us straight? I'd want nothing better, but I just can't get past the endless list of excuses of why it's not happening or delayed. Take the other day for example, I simply said something along the lines of it being trivial that Ken can say he wasn't at an address and get an extension. In the couple of responses I basically got told I'm challenging them/their integrity and to use the ignore button. It's also not just the excuses or reasoning, it's the timing. Everything was perfectly fine until the day before it was due to be big news day? And now on top of that he's already putting in his excuses for next weeks delay. I was sort of conflicted earlier, which is why I asked who actually believes him and who thinks he's full of shit but isn't calling him out. That's why I posted the original question, not to unmask him or challenge him or any of that bollocks. He's just built them up to sound way too good to be true and given way too many reasons or excuses that it might not happen, so I figured I could ask who is still a believer and what do they think is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentBob Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, Traf said: You do have to temper that with the fact that I'm a miserable sceptical old cunt normally. (just getting that in before Sweep or some other chip-bearing yokel pipes up) Only way to survive as a Bolton fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, SilentBob said: This is in response to Sluffy's full response, but I'll save everybody's eyes and not quote the whole thing. I completely agree with most of what you've said and I've said it multiple times myself - What Howard has said currently and in the past does seem to add up well and they obviously know what they're talking about. I also understand that being questioned 24/7 must be a pain in the arse, but it's obviously part of what they came here to do in spreading information. Most people have been asking the same thing over and over again, and I'm sure if you look at my posts I have probably asked 1/2 questions that were already answered, but for the most part I'd asked for more details or clarification etc. Instead of that, I got told I was challenging his integrity almost every time or that I was trying to further my own interests. Why would I want to disprove someone saying we might have a consortium of big players coming in to pay all debts and bills and set us straight? I'd want nothing better, but I just can't get past the endless list of excuses of why it's not happening or delayed. Take the other day for example, I simply said something along the lines of it being trivial that Ken can say he wasn't at an address and get an extension. In the couple of responses I basically got told I'm challenging them/their integrity and to use the ignore button. It's also not just the excuses or reasoning, it's the timing. Everything was perfectly fine until the day before it was due to be big news day? And now on top of that he's already putting in his excuses for next weeks delay. I was sort of conflicted earlier, which is why I asked who actually believes him and who thinks he's full of shit but isn't calling him out. That's why I posted the original question, not to unmask him or challenge him or any of that bollocks. He's just built them up to sound way too good to be true and given way too many reasons or excuses that it might not happen, so I figured I could ask who is still a believer and what do they think is going to happen. You sound to me to be a very intelligent person so I'm somewhat confused as to why you seem to care so much what someone you don't know posts on social media? Maybe it a generational thing, but it seems to me these days people are more willing to believe what they read on it and if they don't, are more reactionary to challenge it. What does it really matter what some random stranger posts up? Why not simply accept the bits you agree with and reject the bits you don't? Ok, ask for clarification by all means but if you aren't getting the clarity or responses you are happy with, then why press on? Obviously you are completely free to do what you like - and to me at least, it does seems to be the normal way to proceeded these days. I guess I would simply have just have thanked them for their reply and accepted to myself that I wasn't going to get any better from them. That's why I think it really doesn't bother me too much what is said on social media as I have learned over many years of life to await the final outcome, whatever that may be. Please don't take my post as being critical of you in any way, it is I that is in the minority of what is normality on social media and probably why I can't understand why some people take such issue with what someone says on it, simply because it doesn't agree with their views. Life's too short and all that, it is only the internet when all said and done. Fwiw though I do hope you stick around after the club ownership is ultimately resolved as clearly you will fit in very well as you've already endeared yourself to the site by chopping down my previous post to a manageable bite size! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentBob Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 57 minutes ago, Sluffy said: You sound to me to be a very intelligent person so I'm somewhat confused as to why you seem to care so much what someone you don't know posts on social media? Maybe it a generational thing, but it seems to me these days people are more willing to believe what they read on it and if they don't, are more reactionary to challenge it. What does it really matter what some random stranger posts up? Why not simply accept the bits you agree with and reject the bits you don't? Firstly, it's not really about what he says to me or thinks my aim is, I couldn't really care any less what he thinks of me, or Bolton in general judging by his comments earlier. My scepticism heavily revolved around his responses to certain questions. I think Casino asked him something and didn't get a response, someone else asked him a very similar question and he blew up at them in a similar way to me. Maybe he missed the Casino question, maybe he didn't want to attack an established member of the site because it would look bad? 1 hour ago, Sluffy said: Ok, ask for clarification by all means but if you aren't getting the clarity or responses you are happy with, then why press on? That's sort of the thing that started it for me. I didn't keep pestering or asking same questions. I asked 1 specific question or said I don't quite believe something. Since then it's mainly been keeping an eye out on the updates posted and I decided to ask for the general consensus on him earlier because it seemed like everyone was getting sick of his reasons for delays or trying to convince us on his buyers while giving us another handful of reasons it might not happen. 1 hour ago, Sluffy said: Why not simply accept the bits you agree with and reject the bits you don't? I did do this originally. It's hard to not call bullshit when he's feeding people this master plan of what can happen then gives us a last minute excuse, then gives us more and more options that can happen next week while sliding in more reasons or excuses. We all want this to be over and we all want to be excited about our new owners. As has been said multiple times, a big slice of humble pie is on the cards for a lot of us tonight if he turns out to be telling the truth and I'd be more than happy if he is. I'll stop typing now before people get even more annoyed reading this nonsense, but I'll end by saying - Why is it okay for Howard and multiple others to call basically every other Bolton source liars who don't know anything, but we're not allowed to question someone essentially telling us what's going to happen and to look forward to news only to find a reason it didn't happen at the last second? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Casino said: Fwiw, I have Howard's men in 3rd place Bassini in second Oh, and liquidation a very poor 4th Gaspard first? Edited April 5, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Boothy said: Stone Cold: The True Story of Michael Stone and the Milltown Massacre cracking book if anyone hasn’t read I had this lent to me. Has to be the smallest typeface in a book ever. Struggling to read it so far. Must be a later publication more legible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Do folk still want “Howard’s boys” to ride in like shining knights now we’ve seen “it’s” true colours? Seeing as folk thought he was a decent sort and representative of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Right. Now we’ve got all this shit back on track and everyone is comfortable with their own views and views of others can we get this site back to what it does best.. @Howardroark you never specified, HBAYT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrener Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 I actually think Howard was genuine, if he wasn't then he surely would have got his punch line in before he left, for me he gave the impression at the beginning they were in it for the benefit of the club, but has it went on they just wanted someone to just bung them some cash not to take the shares. I don't think they were ever going to take the shares but humble pie would gladly be eaten if proved wrong. Fwiw I think Ken will take us to oblivion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzo gambaro Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Ten more pages? Balls to that. Do you fuckers not sleep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu123 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Well if what @Howardroark has said should happen on Tuesday/Wednesday next week you lot who’ve given him grief on here could be eating humble pie....just give the guy a chance! Not only that, ask yourself why on earth would he go to the lengths he has and also what has he said on here that’s not been true?? We just don’t know. He said the other day he’s on here “paving the way” for his team. Iv seen he’s given some grief back to the doubting Thomas’s on here but he’s been constantly answering the questions over and over. Clearly there’s only so much he can he can say. Should it all be bollocks next week....then we give should grief and rightly so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny The Ball Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Does anybody know via which company wages were paid to staff yesterday ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonyj Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 I'm not doubting most of the things he has posted on here have been correct and very informative. Most of us have been intrigued by his input. That said, his latest comment has come across as being totally patronising to most of us and has perhaps given us the biggest insight as to his character than all his other posts put together. He has shown his true colours to me, and i don't like what i see......regardless of whether he is genuine or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothy Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Stu123 said: Well if what @Howardroark has said should happen on Tuesday/Wednesday next week you lot who’ve given him grief on here could be eating humble pie....just give the guy a chance I don’t see it that way at all. We’re in the middle of a highly charged situation being fans of a Club that most have followed their entire lives. I don’t think it’s right to disregard the pessimism or challenge of anyone’s viewpoint at this stage whilst we have this existential threat looming. As for Howard, I don’t really think that posting a couple of obscure documents and calling a few things right necessarily equate to compelling justification for people to lap it all up. Everyone will be pleased as punch even if some semblance of his story comes to fruition but remember the old adage about things being too good to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARFIELD Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Benny The Ball said: Does anybody know via which company wages were paid to staff yesterday ? Burnden leisure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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