Ani Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Howard said Casino had asked who he was and he had told him. That is on the thread although he will try and now say that was not actually what he said. It is certainly what he implied. He now says Casino would be breaking privacy laws ! Why would anyone employ someone to come on here and spread shit ? Other than getting folk excited is that really how business is done ? Fucking tragic if this is anything to do with the future of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ10 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 What about this? In a long story short fashion. Howard was/is employed by the Chinese consortium, who have been interested for a while but have for whatever reason been unable to deal with Ken so have dealt direct with ED Trust. Hence, the checking out of the competition on here. They wanted to take back shares to acquire the club but the debt was more than they thought, so they waited for admin. They were the ‘owners of another club’ in Shandong who ‘saved’ us in court. Not the king of Bahrain and Seattle Sounders Common theme, Chinese takeovers? Wolves, Reading, Wigan etc Discredit the ST this week? to get the deal complete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfessorWoland Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 48 minutes ago, dusan nikolic said: Christ knows , it's got more riddles than an episode of 3-2-1 , unless Howard is the reincarnation of Ted Rogers. called it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Who said to look east, far far East? Was that H? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said: What, where you spend all day chatting shit on wanderers ways? We all get paid to do that That’s a very good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombwfc Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) This has been a very fucking odd episode. At least we've now got somewhere, admitting that it was all bullshit. And bullshit is bullshit, even if dressed up as serving some other noble cause. Edited May 14, 2019 by Tombwfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Trotter Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Tombwfc said: This has been a very fucking odd episode. At least we've now got somewhere, admitting that it was all bullshit. And bullshit is bullshit, even if dressed up as serving some other noble cause. Done wonders for site traffic though, even if it's been a bit of a (not my words) 'idiot magnet'! Hopefully the staff here have been able to negotiate a better rate for advertising space/pay per click since Howard arrived. Silver linings, and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ani said: Howard said Casino had asked who he was and he had told him. That is on the thread although he will try and now say that was not actually what he said. It is certainly what he implied. He now says Casino would be breaking privacy laws ! Why would anyone employ someone to come on here and spread shit ? Other than getting folk excited is that really how business is done ? Fucking tragic if this is anything to do with the future of the club. For what it is worth - and having no idea who they are - I've always suspected there were more than one person with access to the H account - and hence the apparent significant variance of behaviour from them. I've never believed that anyone employed on a PR basis to win hearts and minds / spread mistrust and stir up resistance / or something between the two, would do so on an internet forum? Forums are in social media terms, a 'dinosaur' of the age, where generally speaking a niche market of a few old blokes aged around 40 and above, while away their time by doing things like chewing the fat with each other and remember better days from the clubs history. Christ it's quite clear by reading people tweeting to Iles that many people are unaware that this site even exits (let alone your poor little brother, Bolton Nuts!). Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and whatever else has a far wider reach. In fact employing one of the social media influencers such as Iles or Nixon to broadcast your message would certainly be more effective (maybe you even did with Nixon as he seemed to be saying everyone - Basran, Kenyon, Bassini, the Chinese, etc, were going to buy us at one stage or another!). At least though people tweeting to Nixon have clearly read here and H's comments, there certainly seemed substantially less pestering Iles about the same. Indeed I do wonder if Iles bothers to read the few BWFC forums there are - he once scathingly tweeted that forums were like returning back in time to 2004. Thanks Marc. I do believe that someone behind the account did know their stuff on A&M, were well informed on large chunks of what has been going on behind the scenes and EFL procedure. Why they came on here to tell us, only they would know. There was never any doubt they had their agenda for spreading this information (with a mix of misinformation thrown in as well no doubt) in order to move towards their end point - and no doubt also some of the stuff they told us were going to happen probably would have if a change in circumstance hadn't prevented it. But you have to balance that with some of the narrative was intended to be fake but for us to buy into. Who cares though, it was fun if you didn't believe everything that was said, it was educational if it give you a lead to check things out and pull back from some of the stuff that didn't quite stack up when you did, and it passed a whole chunk of time in one of the most miserable times in our clubs history. I didn't like the pm business calling someone a cunt, nor the wife beater slur - and full credit to Traf who handled it tremendously well and with panache, and some of the other stuff as well. As I've said I don't know what your objective was or even if you've achieved it but if it was to entertain me for the last couple of months then you've succeeded wonderfully well and you are very welcome to pop by Nuts anytime you like and spin me another yarn or two! My hat is doffed to you sir/madam. Encore. Edited May 15, 2019 by Sluffy grammar errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 I'm confused by Howard TBH. If he's employed to conduct a PR role e.g. reputation management then the only beneficiary to date is Anderson who has avoided a lot of flak and averted an even bigger PR disaster by deflection in which case well done. But the thing that sticks out is why come on here - and notably not on other BWFC chatrooms to make the point? Is WW considered to be that influential? WW would only be a tiny part of a reputation management strategy and I'd be surprised if Anderson would be that paranoid to deem it necessary unless he is more of a sensitive flower than I imagined. Where's the financial upside? What seems more likely is that he is/was acting for a potential buyer as he stated. When there are tens of millions to be made or saved in making an acquisition, it makes sense to employ people to clear the path and that includes discrediting the competition and putting disinformation out there. The Howard that was so forthcoming seems to have been replaced by a Howard that is reticent to tell us anything so perhaps H1 has had his legs slapped and been stood in the corner for saying too much. Or perhaps he was simply told or decided to be more discrete. Either way I'm inclined to think that unless Howard is a complete nut job with ego issues, the likelihood is that he is working for someone who is/was seriously interested in taking us on. I just wonder why he bothers to participate in a forum like this. Does WW really influence the media and the potential stakeholders? We'd like to perceive him as a friendly chap who has inside information and is kind enough to share what he can with us - because we're desperate to know what's going on. It would be a real shame if he's been less than honest with us and has used our emotional investment in the club to further the interests of those who wish to do the club no good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keayedwhite10 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Boo said: He couldn’t look a bigger twat if he tried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freds dad Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Keayedwhite10 said: He couldn’t look a bigger twat if he tried On his way to the food bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondi Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Boo said: Who said to look east, far far East? Was that H? Wasn't it that John Galt character? Thought he implied possible Thai investment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfessorWoland Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 As one of the idiots drawn to Howard's magnetic posts I thought about this a bit. Although I tried to make the case for it I don't think he or she works in PR, or at least every PR person I've ever worked with didn't behave in some of the ways H has, ie getting into personal spats, calling people cunts in PM's etc. Dispassionate media professionals don't behave in that way, but supporters with an emotional investment do, particularly at this time of heightened stress, so my first conclusion is that H is a genuine BWFC supporter and given that's something that a lot of the players aren't, that's a big plus in my book. The same goes for an influencing operation where there are higher profile and more accessible channels where one could more effectively operate. Forums however are excellent platform for distributing longer form content, for laying out and explaining detail and so my second take was H was trying to put some relatively complex concepts into the public arena. Who was the target of this info? In the first instance BWFC supporters who may have otherwise bought the party line or the simplified beyond utility version that makes it to the Bolton News. Then, tantalisingly, perhaps other parties to this, H referenced game theory after all. As to the truth of it, I think there was probably some good information, some misinformation and some outright fibs, which is what one would expect in a time of war. It all seemed to be info that raised the pressure on KA to do a deal or perhaps encourage others watching to act before they lost their chance? To flush out or flush away bidders? JCookie's guessm above about a connection to the trust could be a runner. Not sure we'll know but I found H a decent person on the whole and the Bahrain story was a bit of hope to pass on to my long suffering BWFC supporting family as they've sat back and watched their club disintegrate over the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HR Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Boo said: Who said to look east, far far East? Was that H? Mr Galt linked Howard with ceramics, that was possibly one China connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndens Bogs Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) Howard clearly knew more about aquisitions/mergers/takeovers/admin/liquidation etc than most on here and some of his posts were helpful and gave us hope. However 3 whoppers stand out for me - 1 - Ken will have his shares taken from him by ED’s trust. 2 - The Bahraini Prince. 3 - Bassini will take ownership of the club tomorrow. All turned out to be bollocks. He didn’t help himself by calling a Wways poster a cunt via PM and accusing him of being a wife beater. I very much doubt Howard was working as a PR rep for a company looking at buying us, i would imagine he was just a knowledgeable and well meaning BWFC sympathiser who got involved on here a bit deeper than he originally intended. It’s been entertaining at times though. Edited May 15, 2019 by Burndens Bogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowcarbon Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 You cant polish a turd, but you can put glitter on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger_Dubuis Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Huge respect to the management and board of PNE.They outclass us on and off the pitch on smaller crowds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondi Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Roger_Dubuis said: Huge respect to the management and board of PNE.They outclass us on and off the pitch on smaller crowds Preston North End is how a club like ours should be run, what we'd do to be in their shoes right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Jon Gault was clearly connected with KA, Howard clearly had them uneasy about something as they felt the need to come on and challenge him - That’s enough credibility for me that Howard was closer to it than 99.9% of the rest of us His story never quite stacked up though, apparently starting to watch is in 1997 cup game against Spurs, next minute on about Julian Derby’s leg break. However, the bit that was the biggest stretch for me was the U turn on Bassini, when ‘he’ said they would fund Basinni The rest of it If was plausible, Bahrain prince, meh! Sheffield United are owned by a Saudi Prince. plenty of them about and they like to invest in football clubs. It’s as plausible on paper as the Chinese state buying us Still not quite sure who he was employed by or why, he’s had a pop at Ken, Balti face and Basinni along the way. Only leaves EDT really but that doesn’t feel quite right either - fuck knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, Blondi said: Preston North End is how a club like ours should be run, what we'd do to be in their shoes right now. Aren’t they massively reliant on Trevor Hemmings’ money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Steejay Posted May 15, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted May 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, Roger_Dubuis said: Huge respect to the management and board of PNE.They outclass us on and off the pitch on smaller crowds 10 minutes ago, Blondi said: Preston North End is how a club like ours should be run, what we'd do to be in their shoes right now. Yes, but they do have a benefactor who puts in £6/7m pounds every year. As long as the owner is prepared for this scenario then it works. On the footy side, they have been prepared to gamble on lower league/Irish youngsters and most of them have worked out ok and have a beneficial sell-on value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Wonder how many clubs looked at us when we were riding the crest of a benefactor wave and said “wish we had one of those” and Rovers in walkers day. Everyone slagging Salford off currently as they’re benefiting from relatively deep pockets. Every club in the football league is looking for it. You enjoy it when you have it. Moan like fuck and look enviously on when others do. PNE- decent gesture and I like the way they go about their transfer business. Scouting players from the lower leagues who can step up. They put their faith in that and get rewarded. Everything else about them can do one. Nothing club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biffo666 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 If John Galt is Aldridge, then H posting and being read by Aldridge with a direct line to KA could be a motive - ensuring KA kept under pressure by H’s narrative? Strange that both John Galt and Howard Roark are characters in different novels by Ayn Rand , who only ever wrote 4 books, hhmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howardroark Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Alf Hartigan said: Casino, is Howard's claim that the Basran bid walked away due to Sharia Law utter bollocks then? Didn’t claim this, he’s Hindu..... Said Bahraini interest walked away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Biffo666 said: If John Galt is Aldridge, then H posting and being read by Aldridge with a direct line to KA could be a motive - ensuring KA kept under pressure by H’s narrative? Strange that both John Galt and Howard Roark are characters in different novels by Ayn Rand , who only ever wrote 4 books, hhmmmmm The John Galt character was clearly a bite back to the Howard Roark one. Not sure if they’re sworn enemies or the ying and yang in said books but it was definitely a conscious ploy to draw battle lines leads me to think JG was inside KA’s circle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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