RoadRunnerFan Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chris Custodiet said: Well done RRF. Lets face it, Rigsby's testimony was as watertight as the leakiest bucket in Bolton (and beyond). Piss and wind merchants, not worth your time or energy Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Ah thanks the penny has just dropped for me as to why the ST (as per Nightingale's rant at their public forum) seemingly had it in for Michael James - who had kept the club afloat with his loans to it. I had wondered what their issue was? Clearly Davies being 'fed' the ST line on this as per his tweet! Wonder if James is going to take the place of Anderson in their eyes if he does become our new owner? I think he might - don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nantwichwhite Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Is Davies saying that the other company interested in the land would have paid more for it. If that is the case it is an entirely different matter. Although is it safer in James hands rather than a developer. Two sides to every story I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 38 minutes ago, nantwichwhite said: Is Davies saying that the other company interested in the land would have paid more for it. If that is the case it is an entirely different matter. Although is it safer in James hands rather than a developer. Two sides to every story I suppose. I know Michael James's dad set up the bog roll factory with Frannie Lee in Egerton but isn't Michael himself a developer? I thought that was his main business. And one of the other FV partners is a developer for sure. I thought the whole thrust of the FV bid was based on developing the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nantwichwhite Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said: I know Michael James's dad set up the bog roll factory with Frannie Lee in Egerton but isn't Michael himself a developer? I thought that was his main business. And one of the other FV partners is a developer for sure. I thought the whole thrust of the FV bid was based on developing the land. Fair point but I was thinking that being a fan he would look after the best interests of the club rather that a business with no connection with the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Sluffy said: What they have failed to grasp from day one is that the organisation is in affect a 'public' body and not a 'private' business or club. You can't act and behave that you can do what you want in the public domain as perhaps you can to some extent in your own private company. The ST purports that they are there to represent the fans of the club this is their opening statement about themselves on their own website - "The Bolton Wanderers Supporters’ Trust is a democratic, not for profit organisation of supporters, committed to strengthening the voice of supporters in the decision making process at the club, and strengthening the links between the club and the community it serves". https://www.bwfcst.co.uk/ Yet the following dialogue taken from their own Facebook site and from one of the two founders of the ST and Board Member, Mike Smith from just three days ago abundantly shows how they view themselves - Trevor Barber Is there no update from the solicitor the trust employed? Michael Smith As soon as you become a member Trevor. I'm sure you'll be one of the first to know... Derek Boardman The Trust is supposed to be looking after the interests of ALL Bolton supporters not just those who are paid up members of the Trust. Hence your comment Michael is insulting to any true Wanderer. Michael Smith Why is me informing a non-trust member (who by the way is not only derogatory, but often libelous [sic] against ST Board members) that one of the advantages of being a full member is you get early access to trust business insulting to any true supporter... ??? Derek Boardman Michael Smith surely the Trust isn't supposed to be a private Club, and don't you exist to pride a link to the Club for all supporters not just your members. Hence in my humble opinion you should be providing all supporters with the same information at the same time. https://www.facebook.com/OfficialBWFCST/ Seemed to be a fair and reasonable question to be asked? After all something like £18k of donations were raised and I suggest a large portion of the donations were contributed by non trust members - maybe Mr Barber who asked the question even donated himself? They clearly run it as their little fiefdom rather than as a community body intending on bring the fans and the club together. Should be obvious to all by now surely? They certainly don't speak for me (do they speak for you?) and does anyone truly believe they've strengthened the links between the club and the community since they were created - and that by their own Mission Statement is what their only two reasons for being in existence are for! Deary me, little fiefdom! Don’t you know Supporters trust are legal entities and are bound by a set of rules and regulations, and as such they cannot just do as they please. You do really need to let go, you sad and bitter individual. Edited June 22, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RoadRunnerFan Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Deary me, little fiefdom! Don’t you know Supporters trust are legal entities and are bound by a set of rules and regulations, and as such they cannot just do as they please. You do really need to let go, you sad and bitter individual. In fairness Mounts he is bang on. They don't offer anything constructive and don't like any challenge to their views. I think you are of the opinion that the only way this will change is from within. Which is I agree with, but it feels like a long hard road, which few will have the time or energy to travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Custodiet Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 8 hours ago, Sluffy said: Ah thanks the penny has just dropped for me as to why the ST (as per Nightingale's rant at their public forum) seemingly had it in for Michael James - who had kept the club afloat with his loans to it. I had wondered what their issue was? Clearly Davies being 'fed' the ST line on this as per his tweet! Wonder if James is going to take the place of Anderson in their eyes if he does become our new owner? I think he might - don't you? Not just SKD, Sluffy. I suspect that the playing staff over the last three seasons have been fed on a full diet of ST/Beeno gruel and it contributed in no small measure to the pea-brained strikes of last summer and this spring. We still await news of BWFC's punishment for this crass stupidity The last ST meeting had all the appearance of an attempt to ambush/pillory any one or all of Michael James, Brett Warburton and KA if any of them were unguarded enough to walk into a kangaroo court under chairman Rigsby. None of them were that daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted June 22, 2019 Moderators Share Posted June 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chris Custodiet said: Not just SKD, Sluffy. I suspect that the playing staff over the last three seasons have been fed on a full diet of ST/Beeno gruel and it contributed in no small measure to the pea-brained strikes of last summer and this spring. We still await news of BWFC's punishment for this crass stupidity The last ST meeting had all the appearance of an attempt to ambush/pillory any one or all of Michael James, Brett Warburton and KA if any of them were unguarded enough to walk into a kangaroo court under chairman Rigsby. None of them were that daft. To be fair, the playing staff, or any staff for that matter, need to read the BN or listen to the ramblings of the ST to get a feel for how they were being treated by the club (KA) Far more likely the players and staff were the ones feeding the BN and ST In fact we know in terms of the BN, it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 22, 2019 Moderators Share Posted June 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Deary me, little fiefdom! Don’t you know Supporters trust are legal entities and are bound by a set of rules and regulations, and as such they cannot just do as they please. You do really need to let go, you sad and bitter individual. Open your eyes Sluffy may go overboard but he's on the money with your chums You've got nightingale wanting the club rid of warburton and James They told us dodgy rog had been fully investigated and there was nowt to see It's a private members club for them to play their silly little games That, I get, they love the attention But folk like you backing them.. What next, supporting boris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted June 22, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, Casino said: Open your eyes Sluffy may go overboard but he's on the money with your chums You've got nightingale wanting the club rid of warburton and James They told us dodgy rog had been fully investigated and there was nowt to see It's a private members club for them to play their silly little games That, I get, they love the attention But folk like you backing them.. What next, supporting boris? Or Parky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Deary me, little fiefdom! Don’t you know Supporters trust are legal entities and are bound by a set of rules and regulations, and as such they cannot just do as they please. You do really need to let go, you sad and bitter individual. He’s right though. It’s clear as day. The trust are run by bad eggs. Rotten eggs. Michael Smith - zero defence for him. Zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Johnny Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Casino said: Open your eyes Sluffy may go overboard but he's on the money with your chums You've got nightingale wanting the club rid of warburton and James They told us dodgy rog had been fully investigated and there was nowt to see It's a private members club for them to play their silly little games That, I get, they love the attention But folk like you backing them.. What next, supporting boris? There's nowt wrong with Boris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I just don't get the fascination with the ST. They aren't very functional but why bother about them? Are they doing any harm? They just seem to be a punchbag for egos with insecurity when in reality they are just a bunch of insignificant bystanders. Give it a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Custodiet Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Hoppy510 said: I just don't get the fascination with the ST. They aren't very functional but why bother about them? Are they doing any harm? They just seem to be a punchbag for egos with insecurity when in reality they are just a bunch of insignificant bystanders. Give it a rest. It isn't just the ST, is it? Its the ST and the Beeno acting in concert. Not to mention an assortment of dopes elsewhere in the media and in Parliament. And its not harmless fun Edited June 23, 2019 by Chris Custodiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted June 23, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted June 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Hoppy510 said: I just don't get the fascination with the ST. They aren't very functional but why bother about them? Are they doing any harm? They just seem to be a punchbag for egos with insecurity when in reality they are just a bunch of insignificant bystanders. Give it a rest. The ST are the egos with insecurity ffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I'm ambivalent to it all now, I understand the business side of what we have gone through, which takes time by the way, the personal side is irrelevant. I'll wake up when the club tell me when I can pay for my corporate ticket for the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Custodiet Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Wullie said: I'm ambivalent to it all now, I understand the business side of what we have gone through, which takes time by the way, the personal side is irrelevant. I'll wake up when the club tell me when I can pay for my corporate ticket for the season If you 'understand the business side', would you be good enough to just take a small amount of time and explain to everyone on WW how the club managed to keep going until the end of January 2018 without the money from the sale of Gary Madine? I know that there are a lot who aren't interested but there are some of us that are. Edited June 23, 2019 by Chris Custodiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wullie Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chris Custodiet said: If you 'understand the business side', would you be good enough to just take a small amount of time and explain to everyone on WW how the club managed to keep going until the end of January 2018 without the money from the sale of Gary Madine? In a word ...NO. There's been enough of that on here so why bother. I'm quite sanguine with the state of play, and I'm not being drawn into a Nixon, Iles, twitter, facebook and explanations on here debate. Acquisitions take time, that is the simple fact of the matter. The debate on how we kept going will only come out when I see the full accounts, so why speculate, it achieves nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Custodiet Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, Wullie said: In a word ...NO. There's been enough of that on here so why bother. I'm quite sanguine with the state of play, and I'm not being drawn into a Nixon, Iles, twitter, facebook and explanations on here debate. Acquisitions take time, that is the simple fact of the matter. The debate on how we kept going will only come out when I see the full accounts, so why speculate, it achieves nothing I don't know that anyone's explained it yet, but would you agree that it was quite an achievement bearing in mind that the group started the financial year with unpaid trade creditors of £4.8m, had a prior year operating loss of £12.9m and no additional charges or securities were granted in the meantime? I'm not certain that we ever will see 'the full accounts' but KA is due to file the ICIL accounts within the next seven days which might provide some clues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Casino said: Open your eyes Sluffy may go overboard but he's on the money with your chums You've got nightingale wanting the club rid of warburton and James They told us dodgy rog had been fully investigated and there was nowt to see It's a private members club for them to play their silly little games That, I get, they love the attention But folk like you backing them.. What next, supporting boris? What am I to see when I open my eyes? You’ve 2 accusations listed there, that one member of the trust voiced an opinion you don’t agree with (me neither) and that Rog did something wrong in his business life, big deal. I’m not a backer of the Trust persay (except I admit to being a trust member) and have no input and little contact, but as we know sluffy has his issues with Mike Smith and it’s plainly obvious he will use any tool at his disposal to throw muck. Please elaborate on the silly games the trust play? (I suggest you are referring to them calling KA out) from what I see they’ve the clubs interest at heart and basically called Ken out, which you didn’t seem to agree with, but it was 100% proved to be the correct call, failure to make that call would have led to more damage to BWFC, while you and quite a few on here continued to back him with your fingers in your ears while lauding him as king ken. Edited June 23, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 23, 2019 Moderators Share Posted June 23, 2019 Missing the point by a mile It's not that roger did wrong, it's that a full investigation was carried out and it was decided he should carry on in his co opted role At best, their judgement is fcuked up, at worst, it's as I said, a cosy little club As for Anderson, if they had ever come up with a credible alternative, I'd have been all over it But they didn't No high net worths, no nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Casino said: Missing the point by a mile It's not that roger did wrong, it's that a full investigation was carried out and it was decided he should carry on in his co opted role At best, their judgement is fcuked up, at worst, it's as I said, a cosy little club As for Anderson, if they had ever come up with a credible alternative, I'd have been all over it But they didn't No high net worths, no nothing The only judgement that had to be made was is ken good for BWFC? They made that judgement and got it right. Edited June 23, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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