Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 15, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, bolty58 said: OK mate, we will disagree then. I think you will find that a Conservative government will change the law and either time limit or eradicate retrospective investigations into military operations completely. They're starting something. Not sure the nature of it. Like anything, such is the tension still in society, it's difficult to ensure that folk are treated properly under the law. Even moreso with time. The government has said full support will be given to the man charged, and all his legal fees will be paid for. That perhaps suggests the evidence isn't absolutely crystal clear. I do believe that soldiers must try to stay within the rules of engagement etc, and where GENUINE lawbreaking has happened, then do something about it. That doesn't mean hanging folk out to dry without giving proper consideration to circumstances. That's the annoying bit- lawyers with absolutely no experience of the field of conflict, building such cases. Upholding law, or money grabbing leaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 ^ defo. The amount of public money that's been spent lining the pockets of solicitors on the enquiry is obscene. A time limit on such claims would be a good step forward imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 15, 2019 Moderators Share Posted March 15, 2019 2 hours ago, DazBob said: That's not Bono. How's the Edge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: How's the Edge? Fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 28 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: How's the Edge? Bald as fuck. That hat’s fooling nobody sunshine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 21 hours ago, ZicoKelly said: How's the Edge? 21 hours ago, DazBob said: Fine. How about the drummer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, RoadRunnerFan said: How about the drummer? The drummer is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 If you feel the need to post on this thread at least have sense to have read the summary of the Saville report Also, Douglas Murray who no one would say is left wing regards soldier F as someone who is a liar and managed to shoot 4 people dead and wound 5 others in under 10 minutes. And you might also need to read up with the Ballymurphy 11 where the Paras also shot dead 11 over 3 days and even their commanding officer now admits that none of the dead were PIRA. Even to this day I am incensed that a priest was shot dead as he was giving the last rights to a dying man. These murders convinced many people to join the PIRA who then went on to unleash a cowardly and vicious campaign of bombing and murder. Any political violence, in my opinion, is unacceptable, I condemn all the murderers: Republican, Loyalist and State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tony said: If you feel the need to post on this thread at least have sense to have read the summary of the Saville report Also, Douglas Murray who no one would say is left wing regards soldier F as someone who is a liar and managed to shoot 4 people dead and wound 5 others in under 10 minutes. And you might also need to read up with the Ballymurphy 11 where the Paras also shot dead 11 over 3 days and even their commanding officer now admits that none of the dead were PIRA. Even to this day I am incensed that a priest was shot dead as he was giving the last rights to a dying man. These murders convinced many people to join the PIRA who then went on to unleash a cowardly and vicious campaign of bombing and murder. Any political violence, in my opinion, is unacceptable, I condemn all the murderers: Republican, Loyalist and State. What was the priests name that was shot dead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Father Hugh Mullan, If you are interested read about the Ballymurphy Massacre. The only difference to Bloody Sunday was the cameras weren't there. Also if you have the time you can read about the original Bloody Sunday, Croke Park 1920. just so you know I am equally proud of my English, Gerrard, grandfather who went to France as part of the BEF in the 1st WW and my Irish grandfather who fought at Gallipoli and was severely wounded at the Somme and Arras, and my Irish father and Uncle who fought in WW2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Tony said: Father Hugh Mullan, If you are interested read about the Ballymurphy Massacre. The only difference to Bloody Sunday was the cameras weren't there. Also if you have the time you can read about the original Bloody Sunday, Croke Park 1920. just so you know I am equally proud of my English, Gerrard, grandfather who went to France as part of the BEF in the 1st WW and my Irish grandfather who fought at Gallipoli and was severely wounded at the Somme and Arras, and my Irish father and Uncle who fought in WW2. The priest was shot in the back according to reports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted March 17, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 17, 2019 17 hours ago, Tony said: Father Hugh Mullan, If you are interested read about the Ballymurphy Massacre. The only difference to Bloody Sunday was the cameras weren't there. Also if you have the time you can read about the original Bloody Sunday, Croke Park 1920. just so you know I am equally proud of my English, Gerrard, grandfather who went to France as part of the BEF in the 1st WW and my Irish grandfather who fought at Gallipoli and was severely wounded at the Somme and Arras, and my Irish father and Uncle who fought in WW2. I have a link to Croke Park in that my great grandfather was there and in the Tipperary team photo taken before the match so have always known about that event and heard retold accounts of the day and those times in general from his daughter who was my Grandmother. I also have a slightly less direct link to Derry from my mothers side who was there and have heard countless tales around that over the years too from people who saw it and other less publicised incidents in the era bad times I hope are gone forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deane koontz Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 19 hours ago, Tony said: Father Hugh Mullan, If you are interested read about the Ballymurphy Massacre. The only difference to Bloody Sunday was the cameras weren't there. Also if you have the time you can read about the original Bloody Sunday, Croke Park 1920. just so you know I am equally proud of my English, Gerrard, grandfather who went to France as part of the BEF in the 1st WW and my Irish grandfather who fought at Gallipoli and was severely wounded at the Somme and Arras, and my Irish father and Uncle who fought in WW2. First time i've heard about that. Grim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Been both side's of the Irish border and always had a great welcome and meeting proper nice people. A lot of folk on the Mainland are put off with the past. Get an hop over and see what it's really like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 17, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, leigh white said: Been both side's of the Irish border and always had a great welcome and meeting proper nice people. A lot of folk on the Mainland are put off with the past. Get an hop over and see what it's really like. Always fancied visiting the Republic. A former work colleague went and said it was excellent. Would do a bit of fishing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Always fancied visiting the Republic. A former work colleague went and said it was excellent. Would do a bit of fishing too. The folks have got a place in Donegal, they’ve had it for 25 years and I still haven’t been over. I’ve said I’m going to go this year and visit the places I served in on the way over to them. The kids aren’t going to be happy with me driving about pointing out old army Barracks when they’re usually in water parks in Tenerife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 17, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, royal white said: The folks have got a place in Donegal, they’ve had it for 25 years and I still haven’t been over. I’ve said I’m going to go this year and visit the places I served in on the way over to them. The kids aren’t going to be happy with me driving about pointing out old army Barracks when they’re usually in water parks in Tenerife. Mixed emotions I would imagine doing that. Can you let us know your impressions of the place. Would definitely consider it one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Mixed emotions I would imagine doing that. Can you let us know your impressions of the place. Would definitely consider it one day. Yes will do. I visited the republic a few times as a nipper there’s some stunning parts as there are in the north. looking on google maps (because I’m a loser) the majority of the bases have gone now as part of the GFA. It Will still be good to have a drive through, though I doubt I will be stopping for a pint in some of the towns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 17, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 17, 2019 I'd also like to visit the Atlantic coast. The concept of nothing until America apart from sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted March 17, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) Stayed in Bundorran on the north west coast in the mid 90s. It's in that bit of the Republic which runs further north than Northern Ireland and, we learned, that everyone who was anyone in the IRA had holiday homes there. proper dislike of anything English... Including our GB registered coach which ended up with very few windows. Been many times to both NI and RoI and everywhere else was great. I particularly enjoy Cork. Edited March 17, 2019 by MickyD fat finger corrections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Going to Ireland is on our doorstep, it's just a great country who's folk can make you a good breakfast in the morning after a good piss up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I apologise for part of my earlier post it was incorrect.Father Mulllan was not giving the last rights, but he was tending to a wounded man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 17 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I'd also like to visit the Atlantic coast. The concept of nothing until America apart from sea. Get yourself to Connemara. Beautiful part of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 17 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I'd also like to visit the Atlantic coast. The concept of nothing until America apart from sea. "Will ya coal, will ya seynnd bach a letter froom Ameriga..!" Specky irish wankers 😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted March 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 18, 2019 That would be the Ireland which includes Edinburgh then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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