Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 16, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 16, 2019 3 hours ago, kent_white said: I'd vote Tory tomorrow if they had a decent strategy to address climate change. By far and away the most pressing issue facing the country and the world in 2019. Scandalous that it isn't higher on the agenda. Not sure extinction rebellion's approach is necessarily the best but at least they're doing something to put it front and centre. Indeed. Just a bit ironic them spraying Shell building: I wonder how many travelled by diesel powered bus, or electric trains powered either by a diesel generator or directly from the grid, with leccy generated from burning gas? Or how many are wearing cheap clothes made in Indonesian. That's what does my head in about such behaviour. A bit of introspection doesn't go amiss. A small step maybe, but we've now started checking out products that contain palm oil- it's frightening. Trying to avoid them but it isn't easy. Even bloody Oxo cubes, Nice biscuits for example, all for the sake of a couple of pence on a pack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Whilst we’re at it. Trophy Hunting. How in 2019 is it still allowed? If I wasn’t married with kids I’d be a full blown activist against all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Indeed. Just a bit ironic them spraying Shell building: I wonder how many travelled by diesel powered bus, or electric trains powered either by a diesel generator or directly from the grid, with leccy generated from burning gas? Or how many are wearing cheap clothes made in Indonesian. That's what does my head in about such behaviour. A bit of introspection doesn't go amiss. A small step maybe, but we've now started checking out products that contain palm oil- it's frightening. Trying to avoid them but it isn't easy. Even bloody Oxo cubes, Nice biscuits for example, all for the sake of a couple of pence on a pack. I always check for palm oil, it's bloody everywhere it seems. Try and avoid it, even if it means spending a bit more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 16, 2019 Moderators Share Posted April 16, 2019 What's wrong with Palm oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted April 16, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Casino said: What's wrong with Palm oil Kills orangutans, or at least harvesting it kills their environment then they die. Didn’t know that until recently, didn’t even know what it was. Another claim is that livestock farming is responsible for up to 50% of the green house gases, from the animals naturally release to the farming methods used to rear them, fertiliser etc. some scientist was on the radio today saying to combat that we’d have to start feeding the animals insects instead of plants any government wanting to seriously change climate change would have to have a plan for that as well as taxing fuels and plastics etc it isn’t happening any time soon with the numbers employed in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deane koontz Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 2 hours ago, gonzo said: Whilst we’re at it. Trophy Hunting. How in 2019 is it still allowed? If I wasn’t married with kids I’d be a full blown activist against all this. They must have little dick syndrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 16, 2019 Moderators Share Posted April 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, fatolive said: Kills orangutans, or at least harvesting it kills their environment then they die. Didn’t know that until recently, didn’t even know what it was. Another claim is that livestock farming is responsible for up to 50% of the green house gases, from the animals naturally release to the farming methods used to rear them, fertiliser etc. some scientist was on the radio today saying to combat that we’d have to start feeding the animals insects instead of plants any government wanting to seriously change climate change would have to have a plan for that as well as taxing fuels and plastics etc it isn’t happening any time soon with the numbers employed in it I think I'll just crack on If it means a few millennia of shit, so what Tough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted April 17, 2019 Members Share Posted April 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Casino said: I think I'll just crack on If it means a few millennia of shit, so what Tough You must oil your palms regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 14 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Indeed. Just a bit ironic them spraying Shell building: I wonder how many travelled by diesel powered bus, or electric trains powered either by a diesel generator or directly from the grid, with leccy generated from burning gas? Or how many are wearing cheap clothes made in Indonesian. That's what does my head in about such behaviour. A bit of introspection doesn't go amiss. A small step maybe, but we've now started checking out products that contain palm oil- it's frightening. Trying to avoid them but it isn't easy. Even bloody Oxo cubes, Nice biscuits for example, all for the sake of a couple of pence on a pack. I imagine most of the people involved in that protest would have thought long and hard about the impact they make on the environment and how to limit it. No doubt some of them would have travelled by means of transport powered by fossil fuels - but I suppose that's why they're demanding systemic change. Because It's not realistically possible to travel any other way - unless it's a short distance. And this is the danger with protests. What they're protesting about is absolutely right IMO. We live on the only definitely habitable planet in the known universe. The nearest potential alternative is about 490 light years away. The likelihood is we will never develop the tech to reach it anyway. So this one is all we've got. And we're slowly and inexorably making it uninhabitable. We've got to be careful not to confuse a natural dislike of the kind of people who go on protests - with a natural distrust of the cause they're promoting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted April 17, 2019 Members Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, kent_white said: We've got to be careful not to confuse a natural dislike of the kind of people who go on protests - with a natural distrust of the cause they're promoting. Correct. Water cannon the scruffy cunts anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 17, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 17, 2019 Kent- wouldn't dispute anything you said above; just that having considered their lifestyle I would expect and hope for a little more maturity than spraying buildings. (More environmental damage by the way). Rather them lobby MPs and the major companies etc. Then publicise this properly. Get general public onside like the blue planet series has done- not alienate themselves. It's destructive protest rather than constructive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 The problem summed up in 2 newspaper front pages...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted April 18, 2019 Members Share Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) All very well Kent but the fact is, when you drill right down, I suspect most of us are on the same side here. The planet has to survive. You only have to look at marine life choking on plastic to know that we are at crisis point. Believe me, this nazi, thick, white, racist (according to some mental midgets) does his bit with recycling, water preservation, solar power etc., etc. Admittedly I let the side down a bit with the American V8 and four 2 stroke scooters but I only ride the latter on Sundays and the Mustang will be gone 2 years from now and it will be some small eco friendly (cheap to run) hatchback from then onwards. Probably electric when they come up with a buy back scheme. My problem is I hate the Greens with a passion (communists masquerading as environmentalists who would have us living in mud huts in candlelight if they had their way). I also hate scruffy fucking protestors who obstruct people from going about their everyday lawful business. The last thing I would want is to be associated in any way, shape or form with utter cunts like that. Baton charges, water cannon and Guantanamo Bay cross my mind every time my eyes are offended by the mere sight of the odious fuckers. Edited April 18, 2019 by bolty58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 3 hours ago, bolty58 said: All very well Kent but the fact is, when you drill right down, I suspect most of us are on the same side here. The planet has to survive. You only have to look at marine life choking on plastic to know that we are at crisis point. Believe me, this nazi, thick, white, racist (according to some mental midgets) does his bit with recycling, water preservation, solar power etc., etc. Admittedly I let the side down a bit with the American V8 and four 2 stroke scooters but I only ride the latter on Sundays and the Mustang will be gone 2 years from now and it will be some small eco friendly (cheap to run) hatchback from then onwards. Probably electric when they come up with a buy back scheme. My problem is I hate the Greens with a passion (communists masquerading as environmentalists who would have us living in mud huts in candlelight if they had their way). I also hate scruffy fucking protestors who obstruct people from going about their everyday lawful business. The last thing I would want is to be associated in any way, shape or form with utter cunts like that. Baton charges, water cannon and Guantanamo Bay cross my mind every time my eyes are offended by the mere sight of the odious fuckers. The odds are that business, capital, innovation, invention and profit are much more likely to get us out of this than socialists. It’s human nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 51 minutes ago, boltondiver said: The odds are that business, capital, innovation, invention and profit are much more likely to get us out of this than socialists. It’s human nature. The sooner we forget left and right in this the better. It's going to need some good old capitalist healthy competition and some good old socialist principles of working for the greater good if were going to tackle this. Basically it's going to need us all to stop arguing about bullshit and pull our collective fingers out. Nobody is going to give a shit who you vote for if we lose control of our own destiny with regard to climate change - which is a real possibility as things stand at the moment. The hothouse earth model - is fucking terrifying - and by no means science fiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Most major firms I’ve worked for in this country, including my current one are zero to landfill and use more renewable energy than non renewable plastics are the current hot topic, big focus on making them all recyclable As has been stated above though, it doesn’t mean fuck all if it’s recyclable or not if you throw it in the sea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted April 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 18, 2019 Imagine if all this 'climate change' stuff was a massive conspiracy and we made the planet cleaner and more pleasant for absolutely no reason! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cheese said: Imagine if all this 'climate change' stuff was a massive conspiracy and we made the planet cleaner and more pleasant for absolutely no reason! Imagine, all the people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, kent_white said: The sooner we forget left and right in this the better. It's going to need some good old capitalist healthy competition and some good old socialist principles of working for the greater good if were going to tackle this. Basically it's going to need us all to stop arguing about bullshit and pull our collective fingers out. Nobody is going to give a shit who you vote for if we lose control of our own destiny with regard to climate change - which is a real possibility as things stand at the moment. The hothouse earth model - is fucking terrifying - and by no means science fiction. Actually, I curtailed my post What I was going to add was that it will also take a joined up global approach, perhaps even, God forbid, a world government. the UN seems to be failing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Actually, I curtailed my post What I was going to add was that it will also take a joined up global approach, perhaps even, God forbid, a world government. the UN seems to be failing? Would be good, but not likely to happen. As you suggested above get industry leading the way, with proper input from the government. Support our innovative clean stuff and make it more difficult for shitty crap to come in. Make a go of it, and elsewhere will want a piece of the action soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Would be good, but not likely to happen. As you suggested above get industry leading the way, with proper input from the government. Support our innovative clean stuff and make it more difficult for shitty crap to come in. Make a go of it, and elsewhere will want a piece of the action soon enough. I agree that making it profitable to develop the tech to reduce carbon emissions/capture existing emissions will be the quickest way to get something done. That was kind of the idea with carbon trading but that didn't work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 18, 2019 58 minutes ago, kent_white said: I agree that making it profitable to develop the tech to reduce carbon emissions/capture existing emissions will be the quickest way to get something done. That was kind of the idea with carbon trading but that didn't work out. It would without doubt be the best way of attracting interest from trump and Putin. I reckon middle Eastern countries would be interested too- investing into alternative technologies for when oil becomes too expensive or demand drops. Iirc one of those nations (Saudi Arabia?) has already got many solar farms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatanGreavsie Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Orangutans are smart, so why not put them in charge of the palm oil business? That way everyone's a winner! Who knows, as they progress some orange looking ape with funny hair could even become president - unlikely as it sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: It would without doubt be the best way of attracting interest from trump and Putin. I reckon middle Eastern countries would be interested too- investing into alternative technologies for when oil becomes too expensive or demand drops. Iirc one of those nations (Saudi Arabia?) has already got many solar farms. Saudi oil will dry up in the next few decades hence their switch to other interests. Their renewable energy plans will be the wealth source for future generations, hence my link below to the Young Ones, which only old bastards will remember.... Nipper Lawrence of Arabia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 I was of the understanding that electricity doesn’t travel well, certainly not in a cost effective way I.e a Saudi solar farm would be able to service that region but that’s about it. They certainly couldn’t export it to the U.K. say might be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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