Duck Egg Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 I don't get the hating of Coyle. He turned out to be a poor manager but it was always inevitable that a club of our size was going to be relegated sooner or later. It's criminal that Gartside didn't appear to see that and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted May 19, 2019 Moderators Share Posted May 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, Duck Egg said: I don't get the hating of Coyle. He turned out to be a poor manager but it was always inevitable that a club of our size was going to be relegated sooner or later. It's criminal that Gartside didn't appear to see that and adjust accordingly. Maybe it was inevitable, but for it to happen with that wage bill, for those players??? And to not use Muamba when it was obvious we needed him And to sell Cahill and replace him with Ream and Sordell That's why I hate him Stolen a living Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted May 19, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted May 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Casino said: Maybe it was inevitable, but for it to happen with that wage bill, for those players??? And to not use Muamba when it was obvious we needed him And to sell Cahill and replace him with Ream and Sordell That's why I hate him Stolen a living I could almost forgive him Sordell if he'd actually played the fucker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusan nikolic Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 7 hours ago, snowball said: Coyle didnt 'lose' Muamba. He didnt value or know how to use him. If he had we could have defended better (anaethma to the ping pong king) That awful night at Tottenham has allowed some to re write history. He didnt play Muamba regularly and subbed him too prematurely on many occasions. The lad was in tears at his treatment before that night. Plus you only have to read SKD account of Coyle's preparation for the Stoke semi to realise what a clueless cunt he really was? Fooled us for a bit granted but definitely partly responsible for where we are now A lot of the premature substitutions were either because of going down to 10 men (regularly) , or having to chase games because we had gone 1 or 2 goals down early on. on to not playing , in the 28 league games up to his heart attack , he started 18 out of 28 and then 2 sub appearances. in the first 10 games of the season he started 4 times , but in his final 18 games , he started 14 times plus 2 appearances from the bench , so to say he didn't play is utter bollocks. I'm certainly not defending Coyle because his management was shite , coupled with shit signings , but to say he didn't lose Muama is plain wrong. our record that season up to the heart attack with Muamba P20 W6 D2 L12 without Muamba P8 W1 D0 L7 so I think it's fair to say if Muamba wasn't Lost , we would probably have gained another win and draw that would have kept us up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted May 19, 2019 Moderators Share Posted May 19, 2019 The stats are on here somewhere We lost loads of points after he was substituted, often while level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusan nikolic Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Casino said: The stats are on here somewhere We lost loads of points after he was substituted, often while level No argument with that mate , my point is that when he had his heart attack he was missed because he had started in 14 of his final 18 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusan nikolic Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Casino said: The stats are on here somewhere We lost loads of points after he was substituted, often while level To be fair i make it 2 points. In the 9 games he was substituted in we were losing in 7 of them. Man city - score when subbed 1-3 final score 2-3. Sub 59 minutes Liverpool - Score when subbed 0-1 Final score 1-3 sub 26 minutes Arsenal - score when subbed 0-1 Final score 0-3 sub 56 mins (wheaten s/o 55mins West Brom - score when subbed 1-2 Final score 1-2 sub 81mins Everton score when subbed 0-1 Final score 0-2 sub 61 mins ( wheaten s/o 20 mins) Spurs - score when subbed 0-1 Final score 0-3 sub27 mins (Cahill s/o 18 mins) Newcastle- score when subbed 0-0 Final score 0-2 sub 66 mins Man Utd - score when subbed 0-2 Final score 0-3 sub 80 mins Norwich - score when subbed 0-0 Final score 0-2 sub 57 mins. Edited May 19, 2019 by dusan nikolic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 58 minutes ago, dusan nikolic said: A lot of the premature substitutions were either because of going down to 10 men (regularly) , or having to chase games because we had gone 1 or 2 goals down early on. on to not playing , in the 28 league games up to his heart attack , he started 18 out of 28 and then 2 sub appearances. in the first 10 games of the season he started 4 times , but in his final 18 games , he started 14 times plus 2 appearances from the bench , so to say he didn't play is utter bollocks. I'm certainly not defending Coyle because his management was shite , coupled with shit signings , but to say he didn't lose Muama is plain wrong. our record that season up to the heart attack with Muamba P20 W6 D2 L12 without Muamba P8 W1 D0 L7 so I think it's fair to say if Muamba wasn't Lost , we would probably have gained another win and draw that would have kept us up. For all your stats he started 18 of 28. Is that coyle seeing him as vital? Plus the guy himself was upset at his treatment he had come out and said so. Your stats dont show that. But if you know better than Fabrice himself you crack on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusan nikolic Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, snowball said: For all your stats he started 18 of 28. Is that coyle seeing him as vital? Plus the guy himself was upset at his treatment he had come out and said so. Your stats dont show that. But if you know better than Fabrice himself you crack on The stats say he played 14 of the last 18 plus 2 sub appearances, which says Coyle was using him regularly, so meaning he was missed to his team. You claimed he was not being played or was in and out of the team which was wrong. Now if your saying was Muamba treated right and played to his strengths, then that's a different argument.but hey you seem to know more than the official match records so carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted May 19, 2019 Moderators Share Posted May 19, 2019 Like I say, there are stats on here that are absolutely damning One I remember is Wigan at home Pretty sure we had won away at Everton a few days before The fcuking clapping sea lion left him out against Wigan and we literally didn't touch the ball for the first 30 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Casino said: Like I say, there are stats on here that are absolutely damning One I remember is Wigan at home Pretty sure we had won away at Everton a few days before The fcuking clapping sea lion left him out against Wigan and we literally didn't touch the ball for the first 30 minutes I had it on the notes of my phone but I’ve deleted it. Gonzo will still have them somewhere Very damning indeed Nearly as bad / stubborn as Parky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusan nikolic Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Casino said: Like I say, there are stats on here that are absolutely damning One I remember is Wigan at home Pretty sure we had won away at Everton a few days before The fcuking clapping sea lion left him out against Wigan and we literally didn't touch the ball for the first 30 minutes To be honest I concentrated on the relegation season in reply to Snowballs claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 hour ago, dusan nikolic said: To be honest I concentrated on the relegation season in reply to Snowballs claims. My only claim is Coyle (and his revisionists) can't have it both ways. I.e. claiming not having Muamba through no fault of his own was one big reason for his failure but when he did have him throughout his tenure he didnt use him coz he was a shit clueless cunt. Thats it and im not trawling thru any more sluffy esque half page of bollocks from these JCL refugees from LOV or Nuts or wherever. Coyle shit cunt who should keep his trap shut. End of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusan nikolic Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, snowball said: My only claim is Coyle (and his revisionists) can't have it both ways. I.e. claiming not having Muamba through no fault of his own was one big reason for his failure but when he did have him throughout his tenure he didnt use him coz he was a shit clueless cunt. Thats it and im not trawling thru any more sluffy esque half page of bollocks from these JCL refugees from LOV or Nuts or wherever. Coyle shit cunt who should keep his trap shut. End of Nobody said losing Muamba was a big reason he failed , his name was added to Holden and Chungy stating the players he lost through no fault of his own. the facts are Muamba was being played regularly up to his heart attack and I also stated I thought Coyle's management was shit alongside his transfers( but you conveniently failed to mention that in your hissy fit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Coyle s downfall seemed more due to lack of fitness than anything The players just seemed to run out of gas if I remember correctly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theboybell Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Losing Holden didnt help us that season either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Coyle s downfall seemed more due to lack of fitness than anything The players just seemed to run out of gas if I remember correctly It was down to an absolutely clueless bloke in charge who did not prepare properly and let players just treat the club like a social hub. Speak to some people around at that time - frightening what went on. Worst we've had by a mile IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Faustus Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Reading the article, it’s hardly groundbreaking stuff! Thought he was gonna point a finger to the management of his era? More sensationalism from BN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted May 20, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted May 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Coyle s downfall seemed more due to lack of fitness than anything The players just seemed to run out of gas if I remember correctly Thing is, they were professional athletes. If they felt they weren't doing enough stamina training due to the number of table tennis tournaments, they should either have said so or gone home and done a bit of running around on their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 20, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted May 20, 2019 Did anyone here Keith Andrews' comments a while ago? He said as soon as he walked in, he thought "what have I done". He reckoned discipline was poor and training weak. I know the bloke's a tool, but it would make sense. It didn't stop him taking good money for being shit either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 He was the epitome of the overpaid, under performing shithouses we had many of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I was never a fan of Coyle as a manager but that season I was fairly confident in the squad, we had a good pre-season and thought we'd do OK, despite the appalling start but there just seemed to be one unfortunate setback after another. Apart from the key injuries and being on the wrong end of some very close matches (and the occasional battering) it all went wrong for us. Even our actual relegation was a close run thing. I was sat no more than 5 yards behind Bogdan when Walters fouled him and the ref awarded Stoke the goal and even so we scrapped to find the winner that would have kept us up. Ream headed over from 6 yards and we were close on several occasions, but the draw meant we went down - couldn't have been much closer. Miserable journey back from the Britannia. I thought we had good enough players to stay up that year, but Coyle never really found a consistent formula that he stuck with. And despite all that, we were a far more entertaining watch than we have been under Parky. If you're going to get relegated might as well do it having a go, and at least Coyle achieved that for the most part. As for "the writing on the wall" bit... Thought Coyle's signings were a bit underwhelming that year and I reckon his budget was already being squeezed as he got rid of Elmander pre-season and Cahill in January amongst others. Al Habsi was worth the £4 mill, Eagles and Mears were priced about right at £3m for the pair and Tuncay was a steal, but not convinced about NRC and Kakuta and Boyata just weren't ready IMO. I had hoped Pratley would be an upgrade on Muamba in the engine department (that went well!) but Coyle pinned his hopes for goals on N'gog. Appreciate he got rid of two high earners but if he's arguing that money was tight, then I the policy of quantity for quality just seemed like the wrong way to go and so it proved. I understand he wasn't given the budgets that previous managers had enjoyed but he has to take some of the blame for what happened both in his transfers and tactics Still, hindsight is a wonderful thing. He should really keep his nose out of our current situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breightmet Boy Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Buying Tom Eaves on the back of a pre-season friendly for a stupid amount of money got my alarm bells ringing. But, as he loves our club so much, i'll respect him as a man and ex-player, not our manager mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted May 20, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted May 20, 2019 we've been here before. owen coyle, nice bloke, awful manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 17 hours ago, jules_darby said: I had it on the notes of my phone but I’ve deleted it. Gonzo will still have them somewhere Very damning indeed Nearly as bad / stubborn as Parky Don't get him started on the tactical genius we currently have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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