radcliffe white Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 CVA approved for buckets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Just merge ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2019 Still be skint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted July 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Still be skint But we might have 11 players between us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfc2003 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Biggish Dave said: But we might have 11 players between us I dont think they have any?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okocha10 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 At least we wont be bottom of league anymore if it's approved there CVA, always the postives 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomRepWanderer Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Bury to start on -12 points according to Iles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) Just now, Pablo said: Just merge ffs I know its tongue in cheek but what Would be the point , when their average gate about 2500k? non of whom would continue to attend, the only merger that would make sense would be all the Lancashire town teams, Burnley, Bolton, Preston, Wigan, Blackburn, Bury, It will never happen but think it is becoming clear that all these town clubs will disappear over the next 20-30 years, super clubs will be the only way forward. Edited July 18, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Very lucky Bury by all accounts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I know its tongue in cheek but what Would be the point , when their average gate about 2500k? non of whom would continue to attend, the only merger that would make sense would be all the Lancashire town teams, Burnley, Bolton, Preston, Wigan, Blackburn, Bury, It will never happen but think it is becoming clear that all these town clubs will disappear over the next 20-30 years, super clubs will be the only way forward. See I don't agree: there will be a gradual shift to a more sustainable model amongst many clubs. That includes some in the premier league: after all they might have a lot of income, but if they spend it all and still don't get anywhere in terms of success, they gain nowt. I could see a separation in terms of a few super clubs as you describe it, but even then how long before it becomes boring for their fans, unaffordable trips to Europe for away games and no success (utd). The fa and the clubs could arrange this quicker by not waiting for each other to cut their cloth accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: See I don't agree: there will be a gradual shift to a more sustainable model amongst many clubs. That includes some in the premier league: after all they might have a lot of income, but if they spend it all and still don't get anywhere in terms of success, they gain nowt. I could see a separation in terms of a few super clubs as you describe it, but even then how long before it becomes boring for their fans, unaffordable trips to Europe for away games and no success (utd). The fa and the clubs could arrange this quicker by not waiting for each other to cut their cloth accordingly. Hope you are right, my view is while many clubs will still survive it won’t be in a state to ever challenge on the top table, especially old traditional Lancashire clubs who are surrounded by the 3 giants, sadly core town support for these clubs is leeching towards the big clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Hope you are right, my view is while many clubs will still survive it won’t be in a state to ever challenge on the top table, especially old traditional Lancashire clubs who are surrounded by the 3 giants, sadly core town support for these clubs is leeching towards the big clubs. Aye, can see that. Thing is, not all players can play for the top few. If they want a career in football, then they'll still have to play lower down, just for a bit/lot less money. Similarly, not all fans can watch, the big clubs sell out as it is. Maybe a cultural shift back to the provincial teams, so long as they offer a reasonable product at a decent price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted July 18, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Aye, can see that. Thing is, not all players can play for the top few. If they want a career in football, then they'll still have to play lower down, just for a bit/lot less money. Similarly, not all fans can watch, the big clubs sell out as it is. Maybe a cultural shift back to the provincial teams, so long as they offer a reasonable product at a decent price. I'm inclined to agree. There are too many clubs who have chased the glory paying for it now. If we get through this situation, it must never be allowed to happen again by whoever the owner at the time happens to be. If that means paying players buttons in comparison to now and only affording a L2 team, so be it. We won't be the only club who has to do that and it would all level out again, once more and more clubs reach the same conclusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 mad this guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pablo Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 20 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: I know its tongue in cheek but what Would be the point , when their average gate about 2500k? non of whom would continue to attend, the only merger that would make sense would be all the Lancashire town teams, Burnley, Bolton, Preston, Wigan, Blackburn, Bury, It will never happen but think it is becoming clear that all these town clubs will disappear over the next 20-30 years, super clubs will be the only way forward. Jesus thats a depressing though, RIP football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 55 minutes ago, Pablo said: Jesus thats a depressing though, RIP football. That's a wet dream for those who want a European Super League Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted July 19, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 19, 2019 Wife's best mates lad, Joe Adams has just moved from Bury to Brentford. An ardent Bolton fan but totally ignored by his home town club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, Marc505 said: That's a wet dream for those who want a European Super League correct, and it'll end up being the way things go - I've thought for a while that as soon as one club goes pop, a load more will follow. Ultimately, the only way for clubs like ours to survive, and actually compete, maybe to merge with one or two of our rivals - we might not like it, but give it 20 or 30 years, and nobody would give a fuck, and would happily support a team called Lancashire FC (or whatever it might end up being called) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, MickyD said: Wife's best mates lad, Joe Adams has just moved from Bury to Brentford. An ardent Bolton fan but totally ignored by his home town club. I bet he's very glad about that as things stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, MickyD said: Wife's best mates lad, Joe Adams has just moved from Bury to Brentford. An ardent Bolton fan but totally ignored by his home town club. Rivi lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, Sweep said: correct, and it'll end up being the way things go - I've thought for a while that as soon as one club goes pop, a load more will follow. Ultimately, the only way for clubs like ours to survive, and actually compete, maybe to merge with one or two of our rivals - we might not like it, but give it 20 or 30 years, and nobody would give a fuck, and would happily support a team called Lancashire FC (or whatever it might end up being called) It's a grotesque thought and I'd be long finished with the game if it got to that stage, but I just wonder with so many super rich owners where the huge emphasis is on European and global domination and where they see models such as NFL with few teams per state, that why would some billionaire Saudi (other nationalities are available) give a fuck about the cries from any peasant-like club 3 divisions below who may have a total global fanbase in the tens of thousands maximum? They won't, it'd be a built it and they will come mentality. They'll moan for a bit but in the end they'll come round to watching Manchester United or Liverpool play Boca Juniors, Sydney FC, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich for league points. I've had too much sugar this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, Sweep said: correct, and it'll end up being the way things go - I've thought for a while that as soon as one club goes pop, a load more will follow. Ultimately, the only way for clubs like ours to survive, and actually compete, maybe to merge with one or two of our rivals - we might not like it, but give it 20 or 30 years, and nobody would give a fuck, and would happily support a team called Lancashire FC (or whatever it might end up being called) Yep I think you are right. A family friend of ours who used to come to the match with us in the 70's was saying this thirty years ago and I used to argue that it would never happen. However, I believe for many small towns around Manchester and Lancashire it will soon be a case of merge or die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 19, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted July 19, 2019 Nah. The game will change and cut its cloth accordingly. Possible some one goes bust, but they will change out of necessity. Maybe a change in culture to offer a broader matchday experience, to attract younger fans, but it's not fan numbers that is really the issue, it's spending beyond means to players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Premier league money spread between the 92 would sort out plenty money wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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