Freddie Hill Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Reprieve maybe? https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49569697 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusan nikolic Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Freddie Hill said: Reprieve maybe? https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49569697 Hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted September 11, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2019 Quote In a statement, the EFL said the "only current established procedure" for entry to League Two is promotion through the National League. However, it added that "in acknowledgement of the extreme nature of the problems" at Bury, the EFL board had "agreed it is appropriate to discuss the matter with member clubs" and those talks will take place in the coming weeks. What they mean is, they completely fucked up the Fit & Proper test by allowing a bloke with a pound in his pocket to buy the club and run it into the ground in an attempt to strip the assets. The EFL is far from innocent in the demise of Bury FC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 11, 2019 Moderators Share Posted September 11, 2019 Let's not kid ourselves though If a worse version of Steve dale had agreed a deal to save club a couple of weeks ago, the efl wouldve felt duty bound to sanction it as it was the only way to keep bury in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffer cup 07 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, MickyD said: What they mean is, they completely fucked up the Fit & Proper test by allowing a bloke with a pound in his pocket to buy the club and run it into the ground in an attempt to strip the assets. The EFL is far from innocent in the demise of Bury FC. Or our near liquidation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Casino said: Let's not kid ourselves though If a worse version of Steve dale had agreed a deal to save club a couple of weeks ago, the efl wouldve felt duty bound to sanction it as it was the only way to keep bury in the league Aye. There was a lot of upset that they, the EFL, didn't give extra time to allow a £7m takeover by a Brazilian pastor who was a friend of the coaching staff. There's been no mention of the guy since, who, if he'd been genuine would have completed the takeover by now. When Dale took over from Day it was presented to the EFL as a fait accompli sometime after the deal had gone through. To be fair to the EFL they were caught between a rock and a hard place then. They could hardly insist that the club be given back to a bankrupt Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e2e4 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 didnt someone say (mightve been on here) that the extensions to the deadline were only for that Sporting Risk Group , so once they backed away, all these Brazillian Pastor types werent allowed to just jump in last minute. ? Thats why i think in a way when the Football Ventures thing for us were going wonky , pulling someone else on board (micheal james , maybe?) give us some leeway. I think if it sorts , theyre gonna have to put them in at least the national league, as its not fair for the three that get relegated from League One this season. I still cant get my head round people going on and on and on about Brighton those years ago, but this has gone quiet pretty quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 https://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/17895636.bury-council-will-consider-buying-football-club-tonight/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted September 11, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2019 The council owning a football club is a ridiculous idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: Strange one that, what if the council changes politically, Cons to Labour for example, and then the council make a decision they dont want to fund it anymore because of cuts in govt funding etc..? Fuck knows pal, very bizarre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 11, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2019 Would imagine it would only be a temporary position; getting the club back up and running. Then market it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, HomerJay said: The council owning a football club is a ridiculous idea. Was it a ridiculous idea 100 years ago when Chesterfield Municpal FC was formed by the council, the original Chesterfield Town FC having been liquidated in 1915? The FA and FL made clear their strong objections and Municipal was dropped from the name in late 1920 prior to their entry to the original Division 3 North in 1921. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Would imagine it would only be a temporary position; getting the club back up and running. Then market it. I'm not sure the local authority has the legal powers to own a football club? Council's are empowered in what they are mandated to do or empowered to do by legislation - they can't act beyond those powers. Maybe the local authority can help in terms of acquiring say the land and stadium as assets of community value but to take actual ownership of the club itself (and presumably run it as well) is well beyond their powers I believe and would be considered to be ultra vires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Didn’t bury owe the council around 200k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Didn’t bury owe the council around 200k If you are asking me, I don't know, I've not followed what's happened at Bury so closely as I have with what happened with us - but more than likely they are owed something for outstanding Business Rates. This in itself though wouldn't give the local authority as a creditor, the right to simply take the club or it's assets in lieu of payment, if that was what you might have been leading to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, Sluffy said: If you are asking me, I don't know, I've not followed what's happened at Bury so closely as I have with what happened with us - but more than likely they are owed something for outstanding Business Rates. This in itself though wouldn't give the local authority as a creditor, the right to simply take the club or it's assets in lieu of payment, if that was what you might have been leading to? Just throwing it out there not directed at yourself, just wondered how it would work with money owing, apparently the figure is around 150k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 11, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2019 45 minutes ago, Sluffy said: I'm not sure the local authority has the legal powers to own a football club? Council's are empowered in what they are mandated to do or empowered to do by legislation - they can't act beyond those powers. Maybe the local authority can help in terms of acquiring say the land and stadium as assets of community value but to take actual ownership of the club itself (and presumably run it as well) is well beyond their powers I believe and would be considered to be ultra vires. You may well be right, dunno. Councils do have involvement with companies and indeed do look to make profits from certain activities though, so maybe they could justify it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 The council buying the club didn’t go down well at the meeting tonight also the cva is under investigation now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 The council sponsored their shirts for several years and that upset many of the local residents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: You may well be right, dunno. Councils do have involvement with companies and indeed do look to make profits from certain activities though, so maybe they could justify it that way. In very simple terms (and not intending to be patronising in any way) local authorities can only work within legislation, meaning there has to be a law that tells them they must do something, or a law that says they are permitted to do something. If there isn't a law that they can hang their hat on, then legally they can't do it and iirc it is the councillors themselves who are liable for any costs incurred if they did so. I'm not aware of what companies you refer to in which they make profits but I would suspect they are probably ones that are permitted under joint venture schemes or similar, such as the authority providing the land and a private company building say a recycling facility, or something similar to the functions as to what the authority is mandated to do - such as waste disposal and recycling targets. I doubt very much that ownership of a football club would be in anyway seen as such. As I've mentioned above, maybe the purchase of land, or possibly even the stadium itself might have been considered if the authorities legal advise found a way to link it to the purchase of communal assets but I don't believe for one moment was there an intent to buy the club as a business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 If they can purchase shares in airports, buy and sell land, buy and sell works of art, then surely they can purchase or take over the towns football team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, Duck Egg said: If they can purchase shares in airports, buy and sell land, buy and sell works of art, then surely they can purchase or take over the towns football team? As I've tried to explain, they can only act within legislation. If their legal advise was that purchasing a football club falls within the scope of such a law, then they could do so. If it didn't - they can't. Simple as that really. I strongly suspect they can't find such a law and hence why they or no other council in the country owns and runs a football club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 22 minutes ago, Sluffy said: As I've tried to explain, they can only act within legislation. If their legal advise was that purchasing a football club falls within the scope of such a law, then they could do so. If it didn't - they can't. Simple as that really. I strongly suspect they can't find such a law and hence why they or no other council in the country owns and runs a football club. That was two long posts to say "I don't know" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted September 11, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2019 32 minutes ago, Duck Egg said: If they can purchase shares in airports, buy and sell land, buy and sell works of art, then surely they can purchase or take over the towns football team? They didn't purchase shares in Manchester airport. Each of the ten local authorities which make up Greater Manchester was given them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Airport_Holdings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Duck Egg said: That was two long posts to say "I don't know" Ok. I do know. They don't have the legal powers to buy the club as a business. I've tried to do the decent thing and explain it to everyone why that is. However you've once again lived up to your user name instead. Is that any better for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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