Sluffy Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Escobarp said: Any business that goes into admin unless it has a pre-pack could be liquidated? As such this would mean that no footballer could play whilst in admin due to insurance issues? There is evidently something amiss here and a story will come out I’m just not sure it’s this one personally Insurance could be sought and obtained on a game by game basis if necessary. Also James Weir played who is a non academy player and as such wouldn't be covered via the academies insurance scheme as the rest of the players would be (if this was the case?) - so very unlikely to be an insurance issue for the strike imo. Similarly it can't have anything to do with PFA advise as such - Weir played - so to did Ameobi for Forest (came on as a sub). Weir came after the strikes/non payments whilst Ameobi was part of the strikes/non payments. There's no consistency in actions. Again similarly the 'strikers' from yesterday played against Wycombe - and the payment situation was the same then as yesterday. Top of my head I can only think of two possible reasons, the first being that the 'five' thought they were due some 'balance' of monies that didn't materialise through the week(?), or Bassini's spanner in the works could, if successful, potential lead to the club being chucked out of the league/ Liquidated, in which case any arrears of money they have with the club (if any - hasn't it all been sorted?) would mean they become 'unsecured creditors' and potentially receive nothing, rather than their current football creditors status and receive 100% of their outstanding wages. Either way - insurance permitting (in which the club should have communicated something if they couldn't play because of it) there doesn't seem anything on the face of things why they didn't make themselves available for the match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, kent_white said: Has Gary O'Neil got a club yet? No. You wonder if he’s waiting in the wings. Regardless of which side you sit on with the seniors striking I think too much has gone on to salvage. Get them moved on for ours and their sakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, tomski said: No. You wonder if he’s waiting in the wings. Regardless of which side you sit on with the seniors striking I think too much has gone on to salvage. Get them moved on for ours and their sakes. Potentially he'd be a fantastic player to reintroduce if we're planning on playing a lot of the kids moving forward. He'd probably play in League 1 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton va va Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 If it was an insurance issue, wouldn't PP in his interview, or somebody at the club have communicated this.....there wouldn't be any reason not to would there ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 11, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 11, 2019 21 minutes ago, kent_white said: Potentially he'd be a fantastic player to reintroduce if we're planning on playing a lot of the kids moving forward. He'd probably play in League 1 as well. Aye. As for Murphy, what I've seen of him, he's no loss. Lowe- maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 28 minutes ago, kent_white said: Potentially he'd be a fantastic player to reintroduce if we're planning on playing a lot of the kids moving forward. He'd probably play in League 1 as well. Yep. I see few flaws in his return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Anyone saying the seniors can get stuffed for not playing...how can you say that when you don't have a clue why they didn't play? 100% of senior players either chose to, or were prevented from playing. So you are suggesting we just happen to have the weakest, morally corrupt players in the entire country. That's unlucky on Parkys part to have signed them. Let's only sign players in future that guarantee to play when the club is in admin, when not receiving wages correctly for upto a year. So that's maybe 2% of professional players we can look at as potential signings? Whilst our competitors are free to go for anyone that's any good? That's going to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter FrancisFogarty Posted August 11, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 11, 2019 Did any of the missing five turn up at the match or are you banned from coming to the ground while on strike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted August 11, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, Francis Fogarty said: Did any of the missing five turn up at the match or are you banned from coming to the ground while on strike? thats a great question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter FrancisFogarty Posted August 11, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, HomerJay said: thats a great question! I know. Got a great answer? I didn't see any, but I wasn't looking to be honest. And could they have set up a picket line hoping for support ? Edited August 11, 2019 by FrancisFogarty . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted August 11, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 11, 2019 seems it is about pay so im told. not sure if its back pay or current pay though. simple as dont pay, wont play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted August 11, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 11, 2019 5 hours ago, birch-chorley said: I was of the impression that whilst they have had some money they are still owed at least two months I've heard the recent payment was from the date of the administrators taking control. Anything before that date is still owed. 32 minutes ago, Francis Fogarty said: And could they have set up a picket line hoping for support ? Could you imagine a picket line outside the player's entrance? They'd have got dog's abuse from the fans and the picket would be to try and convince those kids who played to join them on their strike; otherwise, what would be the point of the picket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted August 11, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 11, 2019 The logical explanation is they got some money last week and agreed to play following assurances the rest would follow on completion which would be before Coventry So, they're pissed off the promose wasn't kept so chose not to play this time Up to us to decide if that's justified I don't think it is, partly because they are being paid from a PFA loan that we can't access until takeover completes..at least that's my understanding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 11, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 11, 2019 And fucking Bassini may have contributed to that non completion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 For me, the interesting one is Weir as he’d be considered a senior player under any other situation. Which suggests it is something to do with last season, except they were paid up to date (including back dated) last week. From yesterday’s performance, I think there’s only Lowe who would have added to it as a cool head in the middle but we’re going to need fresh bodies. There again, there’s plenty of 17 year old lads running about in 6 a side leagues every night so maybe they don’t need as much rest as we think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 11, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 11, 2019 It was suggested to me yesterday that the deductions for repaying the initial PFA loans were taken out and this annoyed them. Don't know about this, or weather it was paid directly to the players by the PFA and not via the club. It would need to be repaid at some point I presume, so God knows what the score is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said: Anyone saying the seniors can get stuffed for not playing...how can you say that when you don't have a clue why they didn't play? 100% of senior players either chose to, or were prevented from playing. So you are suggesting we just happen to have the weakest, morally corrupt players in the entire country. That's unlucky on Parkys part to have signed them. Let's only sign players in future that guarantee to play when the club is in admin, when not receiving wages correctly for upto a year. So that's maybe 2% of professional players we can look at as potential signings? Whilst our competitors are free to go for anyone that's any good? That's going to work. Bore off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter FrancisFogarty Posted August 11, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 hour ago, MickyD said: I've heard the recent payment was from the date of the administrators taking control. Anything before that date is still owed. Could you imagine a picket line outside the player's entrance? They'd have got dog's abuse from the fans and the picket would be to try and convince those kids who played to join them on their strike; otherwise, what would be the point of the picket? That was my point Mick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted August 11, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 11, 2019 If they had a picket line outside the players entrance they would fuck it off after 5 minutes when the first one went in.... 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Big E said: Bore off OK, apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said: OK, apologies. Nothing more than self preservation for the missing seniors. Which is fine but don’t expect folk to feel sorry for them. Shithouse behaviour unless it’s drastically different to the reason not wanting to be injured so they can move on. Olkowski got rinsed for resigning. At least he had to the balls to do what’s best for his family. Rather than wait all summer get some payment and resign. Edited August 11, 2019 by Big E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 10 hours ago, kent_white said: Has Gary O'Neil got a club yet? https://twitter.com/Gazoneil/status/1160218294357495808?s=20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Big E said: Nothing more than self preservation for the missing seniors. Which is fine but don’t expect folk to feel sorry for them. Shithouse behaviour unless it’s drastically different to the reason not wanting to be injured so they can move on. Olkowski got rinsed for resigning. At least he had to the balls to do what’s best for his family. Rather than wait all summer get some payment and resign. I respect anyones considered opinion, no problem with different views to mine, not sure why you didn't say that in 1st place. But for what it's worth, Olkowski was the first to chuck his toys out of the pram, he showed not 1 ounce of loyalty, he couldnt leave quick enough. On a scale of 1 to 5, he is a 1, McGennis is a 2, the other seniors are a 3 and the kids 5. I'd have them all back apart from Olkowski and McGennis, because they've been put in a position nobody else has been put in and I feel for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 9 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said: I respect anyones considered opinion, no problem with different views to mine, not sure why you didn't say that in 1st place. But for what it's worth, Olkowski was the first to chuck his toys out of the pram, he showed not 1 ounce of loyalty, he couldnt leave quick enough. On a scale of 1 to 5, he is a 1, McGennis is a 2, the other seniors are a 3 and the kids 5. I'd have them all back apart from Olkowski and McGennis, because they've been put in a position nobody else has been put in and I feel for them. He was in a different country with a young family and no income. He got out and sorted himself out which is apparently whats important when you hear the players. these have stayed around knowing they would be allowed all of the money as football creditors then started sulking again after getting some of the money. Honestly folk defending the rest but moaning about him is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 31 minutes ago, Big E said: He was in a different country with a young family and no income. He got out and sorted himself out which is apparently whats important when you hear the players. these have stayed around knowing they would be allowed all of the money as football creditors then started sulking again after getting some of the money. Honestly folk defending the rest but moaning about him is amazing. I thought they had all (or most) tried to hand in their notice but they were refused? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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